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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 11:32 am  
hatty wrote:
Thanks, there was much else to take from it.


Hahaha!
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 11:40 am  
For anyone still around the players are all on Las Rambla now :)
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 12:01 pm  
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For anyone still around the players are all on Las Rambla now :)


Sarginson and Williams running sideways and Tautai going backwards?
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 1:19 pm  
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For anyone still around the players are all on Las Rambla now :)


Didn’t the Catalans pick their pocket enough yesterday?
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 1:48 pm  
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No props no pots is the saying but these lot won’t even get us in the play offs let alone winning anything. We’re getting bullied every week and if I see Tautai near a Wigan shirt again I’m not sure I’ll cope. Navarette and Clubb are no better and Bullock is incredibly raw in defence.

I feel like, barring a penalty or knock on, we start every set within our 20 because teams are making 60+ metres against us every set.

Our forwards are just getting blown through week after week. It'll be a struggle to stay in this league with this pack.

O'Loughlin needs to be shown the door after this season, club legend or no. It's a business and he's bad for it.
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 2:32 pm  
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Greenwood played for England v NZ in the test series a few months back.
Bullock is with the England Knights.


My bad with Greenwood,forgot that one, not sure I count the knights though
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 2:46 pm  
Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy wrote:
Didn’t the Catalans pick their pocket enough yesterday?


:D don’t think the pickpockets would be targeting a load of rugby players anyway
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Current thoughts - Mago out or get running up them plantations, get fit or get rid.
Maybe a back up halfback, someone with a bit of experience on a short term deal.
Big tall strong running second rower, like a McMeekin or Sironen type back rower.

Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 2:53 pm  
Lam needs to go now, but Lenagan won’t sack him because he’ll have to pay him up to the end of the season.
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 3:09 pm  
So who's going to be the next coach ......
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Re: So much wrong... : Sun May 19, 2019 3:28 pm  
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I was encouraged by the way we played in the cup but yesterday was a huge step backwards. While I agree with comments already made about specific players, what depressed me most was the lack of energy, particularly in that spell in the second half when they killed off the game.

On one hand, I’d question the attitude of the players, which for me, hasn’t been great all season - might be my imagination, but I’m seeing more instances of players are snapping at team mates in 2019, players taking time to get back in the defensive line etc. But then when I look at our structures in both attack and defence, we continue to make life hard for ourselves and easy for opponents. Holding the defensive line and not moving up is gifting metres to the opposition attack. The attack remains as one dimensional as it was under Wane, a lot of one-man carries, shifting wide so slowly that it rarely troubles a sliding defence.

As poor as some individuals were yesterday, the whole team seems locked into patterns and structures that simply don’t work or don’t work often enough. Its sapping energy, composure and discipline from the team.

I was hoping that Lam would transform our attack while maintaining our strong defence. Sadly, based on the evidence so far, he’s failed to do the former and our defence is much worse. I know recruitment’s been poor, I understand why some posters think the coach has been dealt a bad hand, but I still think we should be much better than we are.


When you put it that way, it looks as if the problems are much more fundamental than having a few crap players who aren't trying very hard.

Of course, as things are, we have more than a few crap players, and even the ones who aren't crap aren't trying very hard. But all the things you mention are noticeable. We look totally disorganised - those passes to ground yesterday were terrible - give away constant back-to-back penalties (which few others teams do) and seem to lose our heads immediately when things are tough. The way we collapsed in 10 minutes yesterday was exactly like the second half at Castleford and the second half at Wakefield (none of which sides are anything special at all). At present, we have a team who could be ahead by 30 points and I wouldn't be certain of victory until a minute from the end.

Sorry, but Lam is useless. Week after week, Wigan seem totally unprepared for the demands of Superleague. In 2010, Michael Maguire took over a side that under Noble got nowhere near winning anything, and with no new signings turned them into champs in one season. They were the same players but under Maguire they started the season hyper-fit, looking well-drilled, well-oiled, and displaying the sort of controlled but intense aggression that we hadn't seen at Wigan in years.

I know that Maguire had better players, but my point is that a coach who actually knows what he's doing can work wonders. Besides, we can't just replace our cohort of underperforming losers so easily. That'll only happen over a period of years. However, we can change the coach - and the sooner the better.
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