Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:43 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

'Allowed out' They are grown men!

And you say I as if no coach has ever put a booze ban on his players.

Simple, after a defeat the coach says “Right lads, we are in tomorrow morning bright and early”

After a win “Go and enjoy yourselves lads”

The concept is quite simple Grimmy.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:28 pm  

post wrote:

And you say I as if no coach has ever put a booze ban on his players.

Simple, after a defeat the coach says “Right lads, we are in tomorrow morning bright and early”

After a win “Go and enjoy yourselves lads”

The concept is quite simple Grimmy.

Treat grown men like that and many will resent the club and leave. I'd agree with asking them to take it easy over specific periods (e.g the last couple of weeks of pre season, the play offs, time between the CC semi and final, during internationals) but ultimately they're grown men who make their own decisions. Telling adults "any time you lose you aren't allowed to go out" really isn't going to work, particularly if you lose regularly like we are! Would you accept your work telling you what to do with your free time if the company wasn't performing?

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:11 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Treat grown men like that and many will resent the club and leave. I'd agree with asking them to take it easy over specific periods (e.g the last couple of weeks of pre season, the play offs, time between the CC semi and final, during internationals) but ultimately they're grown men who make their own decisions. Telling adults "any time you lose you aren't allowed to go out" really isn't going to work, particularly if you lose regularly like we are! Would you accept your work telling you what to do with your free time if the company wasn't performing?

I do on call 1 in 5 weeks, for that I get paid standby money and aint allowed to drink alcohol or go too far in case I’m called out. I think it’s a fair deal.

Didn’t Maguire issue a booze ban at one spell? It’s not something new mate, plenty teams will do. To say you are treating them like kids, well that’s a load of Bullocks. They are professional sportsmen so they shouldn’t be going out getting bladdered, this isn’t the 1980s or amateur rugby. No wonder we are crap.

What do you think fighters do? Do you think their nutritionists get told to stop treating them like kids by telling them not to eat crap and drink alcohol? Or do the professional sportsmen take sound advice about their nutrition and hydration if they want to succeed and have that edge over their opponent? Don’t talk crap Grimmy, this isn’t the normal 9-5 workplace, this is top level sport.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:14 pm  

Why don’t we just jack in the Rugby and open up a massive rehab centre for drug users, drink drivers, wannabe boxers and a whole host of other problems that our players seem to want to get involved in?

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:46 pm  

Pieman wrote:

the latter, he says the players all expected that level also so you were in the poop if you didnt deliver that in training and the pitch. Off the pitch used to take care of its self really John Monie used to say he got phone calls of bar owners and he went and sorted it out.

Was no social media and forums in them days though so you only heard about it down the pub on Sunday before the match. We won and it was forgotten. It wasn't right then and isn't right now.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:52 pm  

Grimmy wrote:

Treat grown men like that and many will resent the club and leave. I'd agree with asking them to take it easy over specific periods (e.g the last couple of weeks of pre season, the play offs, time between the CC semi and final, during internationals) but ultimately they're grown men who make their own decisions. Telling adults "any time you lose you aren't allowed to go out" really isn't going to work, particularly if you lose regularly like we are! Would you accept your work telling you what to do with your free time if the company wasn't performing?

Spot on Grimmy. They’re just as entitled to a drink on their day off as anybody and it would be impossible to police it in any case. They’re professional athletes and some will look after themselves better than others.
Tautai in this case had a few beers AFTER a game, not before it and I’m ok with that. The issue is that he opted to commit a criminal offence.
After Hardaker and Mullen,it’s absolutely shocking that he did this but he should be treated the same as they were and looked after. If it hasn’t been done already, it should be written into a code of conduct that every member of staff should agree to. It should be considered gross misconduct and should result in dismissal. That doesn’t have to stop the club supporting them from a welfare point of view but they should never play for the club again.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:09 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

Spot on Grimmy. They’re just as entitled to a drink on their day off as anybody and it would be impossible to police it in any case. They’re professional athletes and some will look after themselves better than others.
Tautai in this case had a few beers AFTER a game, not before it and I’m ok with that. The issue is that he opted to commit a criminal offence.
After Hardaker and Mullen,it’s absolutely shocking that he did this but he should be treated the same as they were and looked after. If it hasn’t been done already, it should be written into a code of conduct that every member of staff should agree to. It should be considered gross misconduct and should result in dismissal. That doesn’t have to stop the club supporting them from a welfare point of view but they should never play for the club again.

There’s a difference between having a couple of beers and going round King St until 4am after you’ve been beat and then drink driving. Let’s not confuse the two.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:17 pm  

post wrote:

There’s a difference between having a couple of beers and going round King St until 4am after you’ve been beat and then drink driving. Let’s not confuse the two.

It’s after a game and he’s perfectly entitled to get absolutely smashed if he wants to do so. All we can hope for as fans is that players choose not to do that.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:33 pm  

Bigredwarrior wrote:

It’s after a game and he’s perfectly entitled to get absolutely smashed if he wants to do so. All we can hope for as fans is that players choose not to do that.

After a game is just as bad, that’s when he needs to rehydrate and get all his protein, amino acids and salts and all that which people more in the know will know, not 12 pints of Stella.

Re: Tautai - Drink driving. : Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:47 pm  

post wrote:

After a game is just as bad, that’s when he needs to rehydrate and get all his protein, amino acids and salts and all that which people more in the know will know, not 12 pints of Stella.

Correct. Recovery is huge but won’t negatively impact on his performance after the game. It’s he’s been out until 4am the night before a game I’d have a very different view.
I’m not sure where u got 12 pints of Stella from? 4 pints would be enough to put him twice over the limit.