Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:59 am  

Father Ted wrote:

What appeared to be was the odd thing that he's not been considered for the first team.
Havard went from U19s to the 1st team for the Wakey game which was his debut.
So why wasn't Kibula considered? Is it because Lam and the coaching staff watch the U19s at Robin Pk are impressed with Havard and select him. However, Kibula should be further up the pecking order but he's on loan at Swinton. So who from the coaching team is watching Swinton? Anyone, no one? Do they just rely on the Swinton coach reporting back to them? Kibula has won MOM in his last three games for Swinton which suggests he's in the best form of his career given the level he's playing at.He isn't on the radar for 1st team. Seems odd to me.

Not sure Kibula or Wells could be recalled - aren't they on loan?

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:49 am  

Isn't the player on loan at his loanee club for the first month without recall then after that it's on a weekly/monthly basis with an immediate recall if required?
That would make Kibula available I reckon. It's the who from the club is watching the loan players that seems curious to me. Anyone, no one?
If that's the case that loan players are not watched by the club then isn't that half defeating the object of the loan?

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:00 am  

I think Wigan are probably trying their best not to mess Swinton around and just use them for our own benefit in the way that Leeds have ripped the mick out of Fev. I’d guess also they feel longer minutes on a regular basis at Swinton would be better for Kibula currently then 20 mins here would be.

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 11:42 am  

Maybe,just maybe Lam doesn’t think Kibula is ready for the first team just yet?

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:45 pm  

You're right Lam might not rate him and that's fair enough. On what basis would be if Lam or any other Wigan coach hasn't seen him play for 6-8 weeks?
He may be miles behind the other lads or miles ahead, how would they know if no one's watching Kibula or any other of the lads out on loan?

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:09 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

You're right Lam might not rate him and that's fair enough. On what basis would be if Lam or any other Wigan coach hasn't seen him play for 6-8 weeks?
He may be miles behind the other lads or miles ahead, how would they know if no one's watching Kibula or any other of the lads out on loan?

Before this becomes common wisdom, Ted, are you actually suggesting no one is watching them or are you just hypothesising?

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:46 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

You're right Lam might not rate him and that's fair enough. On what basis would be if Lam or any other Wigan coach hasn't seen him play for 6-8 weeks?
He may be miles behind the other lads or miles ahead, how would they know if no one's watching Kibula or any other of the lads out on loan?

They train with Wigan’s first team through the week though don’t they,no doubt Goulding will pop along and have a look see too as well I’d presume

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:28 pm  

Phuzzy wrote:

Before this becomes common wisdom, Ted, are you actually suggesting no one is watching them or are you just hypothesising?

I'm 99% sure Lam has said this season that you can't really judge anything off performances in the Championship and it's more about keeping them match fit. Having said that, I know at least one League 1 team has software that allows them to clip together one player's contributions so that you could basically watch their entire performance in a short period, so wouldn't be surprised if they did that with the loanees.

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:55 pm  

I'm not offering anything, perceived wisdom or anything else.
I know they train at Wigan but all I was wondering was does anyone from the coaching staff watch loaned out players play?

Re: Kibula : Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:17 pm  

Father Ted wrote:

I'm not offering anything, perceived wisdom or anything else.
I know they train at Wigan but all I was wondering was does anyone from the coaching staff watch loaned out players play?

I know you watch, or used to watch, a lot of the youth games so was just wondering if this was something that was being mentioned. Glad to hear it's not and I'm sure, as Grimmy says, that something will be in place.