Re: First choice props : Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:10 am  

Whatever half back pairing we will have it will be better than last seasons without a doubt

Re: First choice props : Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:18 am  

For me :

Burgess and Bullock, direct to make the hard yards and tire the opposition out, two big men to start the game.

On the bench Clarke for a bit of impact and Flower aswell.

Re: First choice props : Mon Dec 16, 2019 1:10 pm  

Seen Flowers quotes on wigantoday.net?

Fuming he’s had the number 10 taken away, says he’s worked 9 years for that shirt. Feels let down by the club.

Re: First choice props : Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:24 pm  

NSW wrote:

Seen Flowers quotes on wigantoday.net?

Fuming he’s had the number 10 taken away, says he’s worked 9 years for that shirt. Feels let down by the club.

I hope the ‘I feel let down by the club’ line has been meant out of context a little because he should feel anything but tbh. I don’t see him as a bad apple of any sorts, in fact probably the total opposite but he needed to word that more carefully ‘if’ he means he’s disappointed that the club have given his squad number to somebody else. ‘The club’ have given him a career at the top level, plucking him from a team that came and went in a couple of years, the club have helped him develop in to a good player, the club have helped him win honours, the club stood by him when he cost us a Grand Final and got banned for half a season and the club have stood by him through numerous injuries. He’s been a good player for us, I really rate him and believe he can get back to his best but that line sounds horrendous.

Re: First choice props : Mon Dec 16, 2019 2:28 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I hope the ‘I feel let down by the club’ line has been meant out of context a little because he should feel anything but tbh. I don’t see him as a bad apple of any sorts, in fact probably the total opposite but he needed to word that more carefully ‘if’ he means he’s disappointed that the club have given his squad number to somebody else. ‘The club’ have given him a career at the top level, plucking him from a team that came and went in a couple of years, the club have helped him develop in to a good player, the club have helped him win honours, the club stood by him when he cost us a Grand Final and got banned for half a season and the club have stood by him through numerous injuries. He’s been a good player for us, I really rate him and believe he can get back to his best but that line sounds horrendous.

Agreed. I felt a bit let down by him in the 2014 final!

Re: First choice props : Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:23 pm  

He’s got the cursed 14 shirt, everyone who has that leaves the year after.

He should have had the 8 shirt, he’s miles better than Clubb.

Re: First choice props : Mon Dec 16, 2019 7:58 pm  

post wrote:

He’s got the cursed 14 shirt, everyone who has that leaves the year after.

He should have had the 8 shirt, he’s miles better than Clubb.

Not sure about the curse of the 14 shirt, only one player in the last five seasons has left the season after holding it. It's Bateman's lucky shirt if anything! Agree that Flower should have been given a starting shirt on merit, but talking of the club letting him down shows a real lack of awareness from him.

Re: First choice props : Tue Dec 17, 2019 7:35 am  

Flower hasn't been good for over 3 seasons now, even then I wasn't overly impressed. He's never been anything more than a poor man's Andy Platt.

Re: First choice props : Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:38 am  

Let down by the club?! He should be grateful he has been able to hold down a shirt at a club several rungs bigger than his ability should allow.

Bang average even at his “best”.

The fact that there is a discussion over whether he or Clubb should have a starting prop number tells you what you need to know about where Wigan’s squad needs investment.

Re: First choice props : Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:00 am  

FearTheVee wrote:

Let down by the club?! He should be grateful he has been able to hold down a shirt at a club several rungs bigger than his ability should allow.

Bang average even at his “best”.

The fact that there is a discussion over whether he or Clubb should have a starting prop number tells you what you need to know about where Wigan’s squad needs investment.

I think you’ll find that we’ve already invested in that department , can’t argue with the Flower/Clubb comment though. For me both should have been moved on.