Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:31 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

Makinson is a golden boot winner.

Whilst factually correct, thats a very flimsy argument

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:33 pm  

Steph Curry wrote:

Makinson is a golden boot winner.

Burgess cant defend for toffee

That award means nothing anymore

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:33 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Johnstone better than Makinson? Wow.

Yep

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:38 pm  

Pieman wrote:

Yep

Not yet he isn’t however if he remains injury free and continues to develop as he is he will be.

He is as good a finisher, has a better carry but needs to work on defence in particular positional play.

Nothing major and in teams at the top end of the table it probably wouldn’t be exposed as much but once he sorts that out he will be the best winger in SL.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:41 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I think Holbrook did well coaching Makinson to a match-winning hat-trick against NZ, with a supreme try saving tackle thrown in.

England didn't miss him at all in the autumn.

We did miss him of course, he’s a very fine player.

Had Makinson not been coached by Holbrook though, do you think he would’ve reached the level he has? I don’t and that goes for the levels reached by guys like Lomax, Fages, Thompson, Peyroux and so on. Had Cunningham still been in charge for example, do you still think Makinson would’ve been in a position to get that England hatrick?!

It isn’t a criticism to say Holbrook was a fantastic coach and has had a huge impact on the careers of a number of Saints players. It’s an absolute fact and it will be interesting to see if they can keep that momentum going.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:42 pm  

Pieman wrote:

plus Gilly is injured, Manfredi not 100 percent and French must have still been in Aus

Good point. Who was Burgess racing against, Willie Isa?

Marshall is fairly fast but then again, im basing my judgements off how fast Burgess used to be. He was very fast, could hit top gear fairly quickly and maintain it over long distance. I'd say he was the closest weve had to Offiah in that he was not afraid to take defenders on the outside with his speed. Thats all gone.

FWIW, i think Frenchs main speed is off the mark and his ability to get into top gear almost instantly i dont think he would be that fast over distance but i may be wrong.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:53 pm  

Like it or not Makinson is the best winger in the comp. He is such a good all rounder that it does not matter if he is not lightning fast. He can do pretty much everything a winger needs to do and does it to a very high standard whilst excelling at some things.

Manfredi could of been up there if not better than Makinson if not for injuries. Maybe he can still reach his potential if he can stay fit.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:05 pm  

The_Enforcer wrote:

FWIW, i think Frenchs main speed is off the mark and his ability to get into top gear almost instantly i dont think he would be that fast over distance but i may be wrong.

That is where it is at it's most devastating. John Ferguson wasn't particularly fast, but he was at his top speed in one step....he could also "side step on a tanner" to quote ray French IIRC.

From way back in the 1940's, I believe that Ces Mountford was also very 'quick off the mark' - The Blackball bullet !

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:12 pm  

The_Enforcer wrote:

Like it or not Makinson is the best winger in the comp. He is such a good all rounder that it does not matter if he is not lightning fast. He can do pretty much everything a winger needs to do and does it to a very high standard whilst excelling at some things.

Manfredi could of been up there if not better than Makinson if not for injuries. Maybe he can still reach his potential if he can stay fit.

Completely agree with this and your post immediately before it too. If Manfredi stays fit and injury free he could be up there. And if he hadn’t have done to RU Charnley would be streets ahead of any winger in the league.

Shame really. Charnley and Burgess seem like deliberate wastes of talent whereas Manfredi has been unbelievably unlucky.

Re: Fastest player : Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:46 pm  

A fit Manfredi is the best winger in SL for me. But he hasn't been fit, Johnstone was out for the season so Makinson was the stand out winger. He hardly had any real competition. Makinson stands out because of his ability and agility at bringing the ball out. This is where a fit Manfredi is better though in my opinion. You expect any winger to score tries. Even the showboating ones. Johnstone is superb at full length try's and is also very powerful near the line. Bringing the ball out is where his game needs to go to the next level but make no mistake Johnstone is an exceptional winger and could be world class. A lot depends on how he comes back from his injury.