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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:15 am  
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The quality is poor, Thursdays are terrible and every team seems to play in the same formulaic way.

BUT the stagnation in ST sales at Wigan don't actually reflect the trend across SL as a whole. As reported in the RL press, sales are up at Catalans, Wakefield, Salford, Hull, Hull KR, Warrington, Castleford and Toronto. You'd imagine they'd be up at St Helens plus Leeds have their new ground. Stagnant sales at Huddersfield.

It's a problem at Wigan more than a problem with the game itself. Poor entertainment value, poor atmosphere and all the bad news stories off the field across the last 12 months have all likely contributed but the decline started several years ago.


Evidently, many of today's supporters were not around when games in the Floodlit Trophy, Lancashire Cup, Challenge Cup Replays were played on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at a time when the game played in Winter and in front of far bigger crowds than what we get today.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:36 am  
Wigan not getting a game in World Cup as not helped as in my opinion, the decision has made many wigan supporters think that the RFL are against the club.

When we played at Central Park, we got numerous special games like Challenge Cup Semi Finals, Internationals, County and Amateur Finals, Schoolboy Finals, County Games, Internationals and even the Final of the local Ken Gee Cup Competition.

All gone as a result of Wigan Council not helping the club in the mid nighties and choosing instead to support Dave Whelan and his joint stadium white elephant which is now owned by the Latic's.

And people wonder why there is no longer in Wigan, the same interest in our game, irrespective of other interests or work commitments.

Come back Maurice Lindsay, a Chairman who knew how to create interest in supporters!
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:46 am  
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Evidently, many of today's supporters were not around when games in the Floodlit Trophy, Lancashire Cup, Challenge Cup Replays were played on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at a time when the game played in Winter and in front of far bigger crowds than what we get today.


Times have changed dramatically since then though, even though they weren’t that long ago.

Social tendencies, habits have changed. Back in the times you’re talking about Wigan (and RL in general) weren’t on TV that much. Some people didn’t have TV’s so the only way to watch Wigan was to go.

My first choice is always to go if I can irrelevant of whether it’s on TV. I’m just about from the era that went to games as there was no other way than the Sky era. The same can’t be said for everyone though and as much as Sky has done wonders for the game, it also makes it easier not to go.

But then I look at clubs where ST and ticket sales are up and that argument falls apart.

ST sales may have stagnated on the back of last year which if we’re being honest we were bloody lucky to get to where we did. Some fans are not sold on Lam, concerned that their hard earned money will be spent on a ST and they’ll stop going half way through because the quality is poor. That’s just one “excuse” I can think of. I’m pretty sure there are hundreds more.

My concern now is what does the club do about it? I genuinely don’t know. We’ve tried different things; Big One, games on the road, marquee signings and it doesn’t seem to be working. I remember when I was in school and Latics were in the old Div 2. They used to send free tickets to home games every time they played at home and we used to go because it was free. A few of my mates then became Latics fans leaving behind the Utd’s, Liverpool’s and Everton’s of this world and are now ST holders and have been for years (I stayed loyal to Liverpool :D). Perhaps it’s time we did that as a club. Sent free tickets to the high schools in the borough. Even be cheeky and send them out of borough too. Speculating to accumulate future fans.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:02 am  
Ruddy Duck wrote:
Evidently, many of today's supporters were not around when games in the Floodlit Trophy, Lancashire Cup, Challenge Cup Replays were played on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at a time when the game played in Winter and in front of far bigger crowds than what we get today.


only against Saints really or important games. Wednesday nights never attracted large crowds
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:31 am  
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only against Saints really or important games. Wednesday nights never attracted large crowds


You may be right about the numbers, but supporters at least made the effort to go to them without any moaning about having to get up in the morning for work or kids being at school.

And there was a better and more noisy atmosphere at Central Park than what we get at Whelans Folly. At some games, visiting supporters make more noise than us and we only get behind the team if they get well in front and even then, some are too busy looking at a mobile phone.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:35 pm  
The fact that most weeks we rattle round in a ground double the size we need doesn’t help and the club really need to do something about making the atmosphere better and getting the home and away support sat closer together. There is only a need to open the North Stand when Saints come to town and maybe the odd isolated occasion other than that but for 95% of the games I really think we should consider housing eve away fans in the first couple of blocks of the East stand, down towards the South Stand. Some people go to a game to experience an atmosphere, to have banter with opposition fans and by having them sat rattling around miles away from any home support isn’t helping.

It would be a small step in the right direction for me. It wouldn’t improve crowds at the drop of a hat but if you get more of an atmosphere going and it’s a better experience going to games, that spreads and people enjoy themselves and want to go more.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:36 pm  
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You may be right about the numbers, but supporters at least made the effort to go to them without any moaning about having to get up in the morning for work or kids being at school.

And there was a better and more noisy atmosphere at Central Park than what we get at Whelans Folly. At some games, visiting supporters make more noise than us and we only get behind the team if they get well in front and even then, some are too busy looking at a mobile phone.


thats because they are all in the same place, we are very noisy away. If it was on tv on wednesdays my dad wouldnt have taken me as it would have been better due to school and travel etc. In them days you didnt have RL on TV unless it was large cup games
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Re: Announced crowds! : Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:17 pm  
Only way you'll get a lot of lapsed Wigan fans back now is if we have our own stadium. I'd rather stand on a grass verge at Robin Park Arena than sit in a soulless dump like the DW. Come on Lenners lad, announce Robin Park.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:59 pm  
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I hate to think what it was like when the ground held a record attendance of 47,747 for a game with St Helens in 1959.


Both my late parents went together to that match and said, it was that crowded, their feet hardly touched the ground after the match till they got to Standishgate.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:59 pm  
Reputations are hard won and easily lost. So are ST holders. IL has taken them for granted for a few years with some disasterous PR stunts - Millwall, Hull in Oz, Edwards, Bateman re-signing etc. It will take more than a couple of signings to rebuild the trust between the club and the former ST holders.
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