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Re: Announced crowds! : Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:56 am  
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Correct about there being no salary cap and the NRL being played at a different time, but the fact remains that clubs had more big names from down under and Union, the rugby was better and played in a better atmosphere at Central Park and indeed many other grounds on a Sunday Afternoon in the company of a crowd who were more vocal after spending a couple of hours or so before a game in one or more of the pubs at many of the grounds.

Those were the days of far more interest, enjoyment and visiting supporters in watching a game unlike today.

Perhaps, being a all seating stadium like those at Huddersfield and Hull and the lack of many pubs and clubs near some new stadiums may have something to do with the lack of the same atmosphere at those grounds.


I'd never pretend that all in the British RL garden is rosy. It's far from that. But beware of falling into the nostalgia trap.

Central Park would not have lasted much longer without major work being done on it, which would have caused huge disruption and given how broke the club was, would probably not have been possible without Whelan, who - being the arch schemer he was - would then have forced us to share it with his football club (imagine that). Also, things weren't always great back then. Facilities were often poor, and winter rugby was terrible a lot of the time, with foul weather, no covers at some grounds (Leigh, Cas, Wakey for example), and pitches that turned into quagmires.

There are issues now for sure, mainly about finance, and a lot of that can be put down to the mismanagement of the RFL, who's agenda seems to have been to maintain the M62 corridor at all costs and to keep certain clubs 'professional' who really don't merit that status. The salary cap has been a disaster in my view. As you say, the best players in the world once graced our pitches. Now, we can't even keep hold of average players. But that's not the worst problem; more damaging is that it's allowed the minnows in the game - the tail that relentlessly wags the dog - to keep trundling along without feeling any need to improve their situation, thus pegging the rest of us back until we've become the poor man's game.

The SL breakaway can't come soon enough for me, but I feel it may be too late.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:15 am  
Just go into the pubs around the Wigan area on Thursday. You'll see and hear all the experts giving their opinions whilst supping their cheap bitter. Then if Wigan lose they will be the first posting on social media about poor performance and lack of atmosphere.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:03 pm  
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Just go into the pubs around the Wigan area on Thursday. You'll see and hear all the experts giving their opinions whilst supping their cheap bitter. Then if Wigan lose they will be the first posting on social media about poor performance and lack of atmosphere.


It's very frustrating. I alone know maybe a dozen guys or more who used to be Central Park regulars and yet who haven't been for years now. And when you ask them why, they can't really say.

I still think there are certain signings that would make even that group sit up and take notice, but they aren't possible in the British game's current climate.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:47 pm  
Wigan attracted big support from the Swinley area at Central Park. I know loads of Swinley folk who think it's a trek going to Wigan Central for a pint and have not/probably never will venture down to Marsh Green for the rugby. Most insular district of Wigan bar none.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:19 pm  
Akinwale Arobieke wrote:
Wigan attracted big support from the Swinley area at Central Park. I know loads of Swinley folk who think it's a trek going to Wigan Central for a pint and have not/probably never will venture down to Marsh Green for the rugby. Most insular district of Wigan bar none.


It's a 20-minute walk tops.

Like my mates who don't know why they don't go anymore, I'd treat that excuse with the contempt it deserves if I were you.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:41 pm  
Akinwale Arobieke wrote:
Wigan attracted big support from the Swinley area at Central Park. I know loads of Swinley folk who think it's a trek going to Wigan Central for a pint and have not/probably never will venture down to Marsh Green for the rugby. Most insular district of Wigan bar none.


But shouldn't the Swinley based fans have been replaced with those from Marsh Green, Pemberton, Norley Hall etc as they are closer to the New Stadium.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:36 am  
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I'd never pretend that all in the British RL garden is rosy. It's far from that. But beware of falling into the nostalgia trap.

Central Park would not have lasted much longer without major work being done on it, which would have caused huge disruption and given how broke the club was, would probably not have been possible without Whelan, who - being the arch schemer he was - would then have forced us to share it with his football club (imagine that). Also, things weren't always great back then. Facilities were often poor, and winter rugby was terrible a lot of the time, with foul weather, no covers at some grounds (Leigh, Cas, Wakey for example), and pitches that turned into quagmires.

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The SL breakaway can't come soon enough for me, but I feel it may be too late.


If there was no salary cap, most of the clubs would find it harder to continue playing as like in normal life, you cannot pay out more than what you are getting in income. You would also have a situation where the best players would be playing for just three or four clubs, more so than at present with a salary cap.

As for not being able to attract top players in this country, that is because of Rugby Union going professional in the mid nighties which stop the flow of their top players coming to League as a result of getting far bigger TV contracts from Sky and the BBC which our game will never get even if the was no salary cap.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:31 am  
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If there was no salary cap, most of the clubs would find it harder to continue playing as like in normal life, you cannot pay out more than what you are getting in income. You would also have a situation where the best players would be playing for just three or four clubs, more so than at present with a salary cap.


That was the era you appeared to be harking back to in your OP. Fair enough if you've changed your mind.
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:08 am  
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That was the era you appeared to be harking back to in your OP. Fair enough if you've changed your mind.


Thought that myself? :THINK:
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Re: Announced crowds! : Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:21 pm  
Akinwale Arobieke wrote:
Wigan attracted big support from the Swinley area at Central Park. I know loads of Swinley folk who think it's a trek going to Wigan Central for a pint and have not/probably never will venture down to Marsh Green for the rugby. Most insular district of Wigan bar none.


Most of the people I speak too are just not interested due to the format of the competition, regular league fixtures just don’t mean that much in their eyes and so they wait until the end of the season and attend the key knock out games.
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