Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:15 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’m confused why Shorrocks still wants to be here tbh. He’s no kid and his career is basically a few reserve team games and the 15 minutes for the first team. I’d have thought he’d have begged to leave by now but maybe he’s just happy trotting around in his Wigan tracksuit.

His contract is up this season and it’s time to part ways, he’s never going to make it here at Wigan and he needs to realise that. Lam’s doing him no favours by playing him and giving him hope.

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:18 pm  

Other than aggression and not being scared, I don't see why Partington is in the team. He offers next to nothing going forward. Yes he gets stuck in in defence, but that's not enough. Clubb is a waste of space entirely now. That's our starting props who offer no go forward.

Byrne and Havard look like great prospects, one of them warrants a place, not both.

Not sure of Lams though process in all this, it is going to be interesting to see what he does now.

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:39 pm  

ChrisA wrote:

Other than aggression and not being scared, I don't see why Partington is in the team. He offers next to nothing going forward. Yes he gets stuck in in defence, but that's not enough. Clubb is a waste of space entirely now. That's our starting props who offer no go forward.

Byrne and Havard look like great prospects, one of them warrants a place, not both.

Not sure of Lams though process in all this, it is going to be interesting to see what he does now.

I do like Partington but I think that’s mainly down to his aggression and fearlessness. If he was the size of Tony Clubb he’d be up there with Luke Thompson as the leagues best IMO. But I can’t disagree with what you say about OP in attack.

We need to be careful with Havard, Byrne and a little into the future in Kilner. Playing prop is the most physically demanding position a RL player can play in and they both shouldn’t be first team regulars at this stage of their career. Especially as we’ve got Flower, Bullock, Clarke, Isa and Lockers who can adequately play at prop.

I think Lam has taken Wane’s youth policy on and I commend him for that but it’s at the expense of the team and will ruin some players. There’s a fine line to walk between youth promotion and first team success and Lam is treading too far over when we have the players available to ensure we don’t tread that far over IMO.

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:45 pm  

ChrisA wrote:

Other than aggression and not being scared, I don't see why Partington is in the team. He offers next to nothing going forward. Yes he gets stuck in in defence, but that's not enough. Clubb is a waste of space entirely now. That's our starting props who offer no go forward.

Byrne and Havard look like great prospects, one of them warrants a place, not both.

Not sure of Lams though process in all this, it is going to be interesting to see what he does now.

Somebody mentioned trying Partington a little wider in the second row and I’d buy that. He’s got a decent set of hands on him and has a bit of pace but he lacks genuine size to play in the front row on a week to week basis. I don’t like how he’s not only been elevated to being a regular starting 17 player but he’s now actually a regular starter at prop and he’s no way ready for that. He needs managing correctly and to me that would be playing a game or two here and there, where he can absolutely throw himself in to it and then be taken out of the firing line for a few weeks. It’s as though Lam thinks he’s a senior prop just because he isn’t afraid to stand up to other teams experienced heads. He needs saving from himself.

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:58 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Somebody mentioned trying Partington a little wider in the second row and I’d buy that. He’s got a decent set of hands on him and has a bit of pace but he lacks genuine size to play in the front row on a week to week basis. I don’t like how he’s not only been elevated to being a regular starting 17 player but he’s now actually a regular starter at prop and he’s no way ready for that. He needs managing correctly and to me that would be playing a game or two here and there, where he can absolutely throw himself in to it and then be taken out of the firing line for a few weeks. It’s as though Lam thinks he’s a senior prop just because he isn’t afraid to stand up to other teams experienced heads. He needs saving from himself.

I was only saying that last night about playing him in the second row,on last night's performance i don't think Farrell is safe never mind Isa,that pass from Farrell to Burgess in the second half was awful he had Harry Smith on his inside

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:27 pm  

warrior1872 wrote:

I was only saying that last night about playing him in the second row,on last night's performance i don't think Farrell is safe never mind Isa,that pass from Farrell to Burgess in the second half was awful he had Harry Smith on his inside

Faz has started pretty slowly but he’s a fine player IMO. Even last night he made in excess of 110 metres and 46 tackles. Everyone is allowed the odd sloppy pass.

Isa works his backside off but has his limits. I’d never really criticise Isa because you need lads like him but I’m not convinced he’s good enough to be a regular 80 minute man for a club like Wigan. I’d find a place in a 17 for him most weeks but for me it would be off the bench and playing more central. Like Partington he’s not the biggest but he’s battle hardened and experienced.

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:33 pm  

One point I would make on Faz as well is that he’s still building an understanding with Hastings. There are too many inside balls for me, whereas Faz loves that short ball on the shoulder of his half and Hastings needs to get in to the line a bit more to offer that ball up.

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:50 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

I’m confused why Shorrocks still wants to be here tbh. He’s no kid and his career is basically a few reserve team games and the 15 minutes for the first team. I’d have thought he’d have begged to leave by now but maybe he’s just happy trotting around in his Wigan tracksuit.

I'd suggest he's getting paid more here than he would be elsewhere.

Re: Young Forwards : Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:04 pm  

Could do with Escaré off the books so we could bring in either a big second rower or a big prop (not a fat 10 minute prop, a metre eating work horse).

Re: Young Forwards : Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:39 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

One point I would make on Faz as well is that he’s still building an understanding with Hastings. There are too many inside balls for me, whereas Faz loves that short ball on the shoulder of his half and Hastings needs to get in to the line a bit more to offer that ball up.

Yeah it annoyed me that they persisted with that without success.

More generally, I can only agree with the sentiments posted more eloquently upthread regarding the club's direction.