Re: Young Forwards : Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:35 am  

billys pineapple wrote:

Is it only me, but I don,t get what Lam is seeing with playing all of these young guys together. There is no doubt that in 3 or 4 years time POTENTIALLY we have the makings of a very big good pack of forwards.
However at the moment and for most of last season we are being pushed around the park by bigger more experinced packs.
For all of their obvious potential let's be brutally honest here about these young guys, for all of their heart and workrate and defensive effort and lets me say here they offer loads in these departments, what do Partington and Smithies offer with ball in hand, no go forward and not particularly skilful at this stage of their careers, because of their size I think Byrne , Kilner and Havard are better prospects although they still need to develop the strength to take on the big guys week in week out, our metre making at the moment is non existent and through no fault of these kids, they should not have to be trying to do it week in week out when clearly they are physically not up to it.
Equally and more worryingly the reason Lam puts them in each week is because the older forwards are lazy and underperforming. when you have a pack out on the park that contains Oli, Isa Faz and Smithies our threequarters are bigger.
If we are going to achieve anything this season and give the likes of Hastings and Smith something to work with Lam needs to be getting Bullock, Flower, Burgess Clark and Greenwood out there fully fit, motivated and playing to their full potential, and just drip feed one of these young kids in each week not playing them all together.
I am all for giving kids a chance but not all together at the same time.
It is Lams job to get a tune out of these older guys or move on an bring someone in who can.

Have you the patience to wait 3/4 years?

Re: Young Forwards : Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:40 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Have you the patience to wait 3/4 years?

We won’t have to as long as we don’t keep playing them all together. If they have experienced support around them and don’t have to look round and see Ten minute Tony and 3 or 4 other junior props, than each and everyone of them can add plenty to our side. We’ve got Smithies, Byrne, Partington and Havard, who are all ready to play but just not together, at possibly the toughest away ground in the country.

There’s a number of young forwards after those who aren’t far off ready as well.

Re: Young Forwards : Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:59 pm  

rubber duckie wrote:

Have you the patience to wait 3/4 years?

As long as we don't have to wait until 2084 for our next league title

Re: Young Forwards : Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:47 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

As long as we don't have to wait until 2084 for our next league title

Re: Young Forwards : Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:17 pm  

A simple question really needs asking, who is our go forwards forward? We have not had a player who will bend the line since Gabe got his marching powder, sorry orders. We bought Burgess but he is never going to carry the whole team and he is injured. Partington and Smithies are not front line prop/middles. I understand the idea of finding your front if you get a quick PTB but theory is one thing. You can imagine the masterplan where a player finds their front and a quick PTB allows forwards to sweep around the side punching a hole in the retreating defence. What actually happens is that there is a wrestle on the floor and a single undersized and/ or slow fat forward waddles upfield, on their own, straight into the biggest players on the field moving forwards to meet them. This is the point where plan B should be engaged, perhaps changing the point of attack or using a subtle passing move to slice open the defence. What actually happens is that we carry on as though nothing was wrong.

Re: Young Forwards : Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:13 am  

Egg Chasing wrote:

As long as we don't have to wait until 2084 for our next league title

Re: Young Forwards : Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:24 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

One point I would make on Faz as well is that he’s still building an understanding with Hastings. There are too many inside balls for me, whereas Faz loves that short ball on the shoulder of his half and Hastings needs to get in to the line a bit more to offer that ball up.

He was partnered with Smith this week but the point stands. Hastings needs to remember he hasn’t go a bull dozer like Josh Jones as his back rower

Re: Young Forwards : Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:41 pm  

Egg Chasing wrote:

As long as we don't have to wait until 2084 for our next league title

Many a truth spoken in jest.

Re: Young Forwards : Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:54 pm  

billys pineapple wrote:

Is it only me, but I don,t get what Lam is seeing with playing all of these young guys together. There is no doubt that in 3 or 4 years time POTENTIALLY we have the makings of a very big good pack of forwards.
However at the moment and for most of last season we are being pushed around the park by bigger more experinced packs.
For all of their obvious potential let's be brutally honest here about these young guys, for all of their heart and workrate and defensive effort and lets me say here they offer loads in these departments, what do Partington and Smithies offer with ball in hand, no go forward and not particularly skilful at this stage of their careers, because of their size I think Byrne , Kilner and Havard are better prospects although they still need to develop the strength to take on the big guys week in week out, our metre making at the moment is non existent and through no fault of these kids, they should not have to be trying to do it week in week out when clearly they are physically not up to it.
Equally and more worryingly the reason Lam puts them in each week is because the older forwards are lazy and underperforming. when you have a pack out on the park that contains Oli, Isa Faz and Smithies our threequarters are bigger.
If we are going to achieve anything this season and give the likes of Hastings and Smith something to work with Lam needs to be getting Bullock, Flower, Burgess Clark and Greenwood out there fully fit, motivated and playing to their full potential, and just drip feed one of these young kids in each week not playing them all together.
I am all for giving kids a chance but not all together at the same time.
It is Lams job to get a tune out of these older guys or move on an bring someone in who can.

Agree totally with this I agree with giving the young lads a chance but all are lightweight and need some experienced forwards around them not throw them in together. We were short of big forwards against Cas who had a weakened side but our team selection completely evened it up.