: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:38 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

If ever a team on the field reflected its management then it was England in New Zealand. Devoid of ideas beyond hoof it and chase, poor in defence and negative in all facets of the game.

Andrew was the most overrated player of any generation. He had no heart, no inventiveness, no pace; all he could do was kick. Everything that typified England yawnion of that period & led me to detest watching a game I grew up playing at school. Long may he remain in charge of elite (sic) yawnion.

: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:59 am  

tigertot wrote:

Andrew was the most overrated player of any generation. He had no heart, no inventiveness, no pace; all he could do was kick. Everything that typified England yawnion of that period & led me to detest watching a game I grew up playing at school. Long may he remain in charge of elite (sic) yawnion.

Just wait til Johnson gets hold of them, it'll go from 10 man rugby to 8 man rugby - you might as well pick back rowers on the wings and centres as they'll never see the ball.

: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:29 pm  

Vida15 wrote: Yup. Incidentally, The Sun names, pictures and shames the four caught up in the sex row. I've never heard of any of them. Surely Topsy cannot be his first name can it ?

Vida15 wrote: Yup. Incidentally, The Sun names, pictures and shames the four caught up in the sex row. I've never heard of any of them. Surely Topsy cannot be his first name can it ?

: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:48 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

I've never heard of any of them. Surely Topsy cannot be his first name can it ?

It is indeed.

Danny Care scored on his first Test start on Saturday.

He came on as a substitute making his debut in the first game.

Strettle has played a few times for England, and Ojo made his debut in the first Test IIRC, scoring once or twice.

: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:08 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

I've never heard of any of them. Surely Topsy cannot be his first name can it ?

Turvey is his middle name

: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:12 am  

MikePB wrote:

Turvey is his middle name

That's quite good

: Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:26 am  

tigertot wrote:

Andrew was the most overrated player of any generation. He had no heart, no inventiveness, no pace; all he could do was kick. Everything that typified England yawnion.

You can just end the sentence there.

: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:01 pm  

Tindall, Kay and Worseley as well as 11 others dropped from the Elite squad.

Tindall, Kay and Worseley as well as 11 others dropped from the Elite squad.

: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:07 pm  

Vida15 wrote: Tindall, Kay and Worseley as well as 11 others dropped from the Elite squad. What's the point of having them in the Saxons, which is supposed to be about developing players for the next level?

Vida15 wrote: Tindall, Kay and Worseley as well as 11 others dropped from the Elite squad. What's the point of having them in the Saxons, which is supposed to be about developing players for the next level?

: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:10 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

What's the point of having them in the Saxons, which is supposed to be about developing players for the next level?

No idea, it does seem a strange decision. But it obviously suggests that Johnson still has a place for them if he is willing to give them a chance in the Saxons.

Cipriani is in the Saxons squad due to his injury, meaning that once again, England have a squad with only one specialist 10...Wilkinson.

Hodgson is dropped all together.