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| Quote McClennan="McClennan"Private limited liability companies are not governed by the same regulations and expectations as a plc though so it is important to make that distinction. As limited liability companies are not exposed to the stock exchange/trading their commitment to profit can be managed more easily than it can with a plc. A plc is required to produce profit which usually they are asked to maximise whereas a limited company does not have to be seen to be maximising profits in the same way. Sure, they will want to make a profit, however I would argue that they are more free to pursue their own agenda as well, which may include just being successful. It's an important distinction.'"
Fsg are probably under more pressure than most listed companies to make a profit because they invest the money of wealthy individuals that expect high returns. They do not invest for any other reason than to make money
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| Quote John_D="John_D"There's no reason the sporting director/coach model can't work anywhere. There's no reason the 'English' model can't either - Felix Magath winning the league with Wolfsburg, for example. It's horses for courses innit.'"
Well said. I think either model can work, but you only have to look at clubs like Udinese and Porto to see how well DoFs/'transfer gurus' can work. Like any system/structure, if you have the right people in place, it will always work well. Clubs like United and Arsenal will say they wouldn't be where they are now without their managers and their manager's signings, but then I imagine a lot of clubs in Italy/Spain would say they that the DoFs are the reason they've maintained stability despite managers leaving.
I've read a lot on DoFs and a lot of it seems to come down to a different interpretation of the role of a manager. English coaches are 'lazier', they let their coaches do more of the work, instead preferring to get involved with signing players and going to watch players abroad - they act more like DoFs themselves. In other countries, the manager is expected to be out with the players, hammering home tactics and preparing his side as best as possible, whilst a dedicated person scouts and signs players. However, it isn't as simple as it seems, they will both be in dialogue so there's an understanding about style of player wanted and so on; it's simply to maximise results from scouting, whilst maximising the performance of the manager who's spending more time with his players.
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Quote McClennan="McClennan"Private limited liability companies are not governed by the same regulations and expectations as a plc though so it is important to make that distinction. As limited liability companies are not exposed to the stock exchange/trading their commitment to profit can be managed more easily than it can with a plc. A plc is required to produce profit which usually they are asked to maximise whereas a limited company does not have to be seen to be maximising profits in the same way. Sure, they will want to make a profit, however I would argue that they are more free to pursue their own agenda as well, which may include just being successful. It's an important distinction.'"
it seems that LFC , owned by Fenway Sports Group operates under the british company UKSV Holdings Co. Ltd. which it appears, is actually a PLC after all...
www.cdrex.com/uksv-holdings-comp ... 86906.html
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Quote McClennan="McClennan"Private limited liability companies are not governed by the same regulations and expectations as a plc though so it is important to make that distinction. As limited liability companies are not exposed to the stock exchange/trading their commitment to profit can be managed more easily than it can with a plc. A plc is required to produce profit which usually they are asked to maximise whereas a limited company does not have to be seen to be maximising profits in the same way. Sure, they will want to make a profit, however I would argue that they are more free to pursue their own agenda as well, which may include just being successful. It's an important distinction.'"
it seems that LFC , owned by Fenway Sports Group operates under the british company UKSV Holdings Co. Ltd. which it appears, is actually a PLC after all...
www.cdrex.com/uksv-holdings-comp ... 86906.html
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| Quote sanjunien="sanjunien"so, they are not in it for the money then ?
just an altruistic act to make the lives of a few hundred thousand scousers happier then ?
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I never said they weren't in it for making money but it may not be driven by the same ethics as drive a plc or are you suggesting that every single business in the world operates with the same objectives because I'm sure you don't believe that.
Quote sanjunien="Cibaman"Fsg are probably under more pressure than most listed companies to make a profit because they invest the money of wealthy individuals that expect high returns. They do not invest for any other reason than to make money'"
Do you know that to be true?
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| Quote sanjunien="sanjunien"(what is the difference betwen Man U & Man C BTW ?)
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16 leagues, 6 FA Cups, 3 European Cups and a Club World Cup.
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Sorry didn't see this but that's a private limited company. The Ltd indicates its status. A plc usually has plc after its name e.g. HMV Group plc
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Sorry didn't see this but that's a private limited company. The Ltd indicates its status. A plc usually has plc after its name e.g. HMV Group plc
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Apparently it's a fake photo. Here's the original.

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I like Martinez, but he is a huge risk IMO.
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| According to a Catalan journalist I know, who interviewed him in his home town of Balaguer, MartÃnez believes it's going to be difficult for him to continue at Wigan Athletic. He wants to take the club to the next level and will only stay there if he's given the means to do so. Liverpool are very keen and as soon as he learned of their interest any other potential employers were politely told he wasn't interested. He also told me MartÃnez has had more than two offers from Premier League clubs. Any idea who the other suitors could be?
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"According to a Catalan journalist I know, who interviewed him in his home town of Balaguer, MartÃnez believes it's going to be difficult for him to continue at Wigan Athletic. He wants to take the club to the next level and will only stay there if he's given the means to do so. Liverpool are very keen and as soon as he learned of their interest any other potential employers were politely told he wasn't interested. He also told me MartÃnez has had more than two offers from Premier League clubs. Any idea who the other suitors could be?'"
Villa are apparently still keen on him.
I wasn't his biggest fan at the turn of the year and he was starting to lose his legend status, but the football we played at the end of the season was superb and it finally looked as though his plans had come together. If Liverpool give him the time to bring in the right players and shape the way the team plays then he'll do a good job imo. The problem is that I don't think he will get the time so he should stay and continue being the idol from my childhood 
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| I couldn't tell you why, but I think should he get the job, Liverpool would give him more time than either Hodgson or Dalglish. While he came across really well and seemed to have a clear vision of what he wanted, it was really strange hearing him speak Catalan. He also cleared up something that I'd been wondering about for a while. His name is Robert, not Roberto.
Do you think he'd try and take any Latics players with him? Who'd be your shout for next Latics manager?
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| Quote Catalancs="Catalancs"I couldn't tell you why, but I think should he get the job, Liverpool would give him more time than either Hodgson or Dalglish. While he came across really well and seemed to have a clear vision of what he wanted, it was really strange hearing him speak Catalan. He also cleared up something that I'd been wondering about for a while. His name is Robert, not Roberto.
Do you think he'd try and take any Latics players with him? Who'd be your shout for next Latics manager?'"
He's actually from Marsh Green and is called Robert Martins. The two amigos didn't sound right so we sent him to Spain to learn how to 'speaka di lingo' and get himself a tan.
Is Roberto not a Calatalonian name or something.....? Can't say I've ever asked him anything like that, although I once asked him his favourite flavour of pie when I was a kid
Personally if he does go, which I hope he doesn't, then I'd like to see another Spanish boss come in and keep the Spanish style of play that we have going. It's taken us three years to settle to it and we finally look like we can play it and progress. If not, then someone who likes the same style of play such as an Ian Holloway type character.
Player wise I think we'd be ok. He wouldn't need Al Habsi as he has Reina and he would have much more money to buy better players than we have that are already adapted to that style as opposed to teaching it them. He may come in for Moses, one of the Macs (McArthur has just penned a new deal) and Figueroa though.
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| Quote McClennan="McClennan"Sorry didn't see this but that's a private limited company. The Ltd indicates its status. A plc usually has plc after its name e.g. HMV Group plc'"
ok, cheers mate - my mistake 
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| I see Blatter has asked for alternatives to penalties as a form of deciding big football matches and wants the alternative to be in place for 2014.
The best idea I've heard so far is multiball. Extra time starts with 1 ball, second half is played with 2 and then with 3. First goal is the winner. It would be astonishingly good fun to watch. Officiaiting would be handled by one touchjudge and the ref, each controlling one ball.
Others I've read include free kicks with a 3 man wall instead of penalties, which would be very boring, reducing the number of players by 2 every 3 minutes after extra time finishes and removing goalkeepers after extra time. Another couple I quite liked are having extra time as 5 a-side, and removing the match officials after extra time, with the first to physically get the ball into the goal the winner, no holds barred 
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| Blatter has said he wants penalties removing as they are a tragedy and remove the team aspect of football, warping it's core being.
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| Still can't see a better way of resolving a game unless he goes to replays. Guy on Radio Five suggested having penalties at the end of extra time in a sudden death format. The team that wins the penalties has a half goal advantage that is considered if the score remains level at full time. Ludicrous idea given the disruption to the game and the fact that there's no guarantee that the team which has played better will be going into EXT with an advantage.
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| Quote McClennan="McClennan"Perhaps Blatter should address the issue of goal line technology first seeing as that's warping its core being even more.'"
Endemic corruption at the highest levels within FIFA ought to be the first thing on his to-do list...
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| Blatter against penalties a few days after an English team win on penalties in the Champs Lg, who'd have thought that?!
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| Someone just needs to mention to Sepp Blatter that if penalties are scrapped England might actually win something. Immediate U-turn.
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