Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:43 pm  

flipper wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1362014/GRAHAM-POLL-Martin-Atkinson-got-big-decisions-wrong.html

Graham Poll is an idiot.

Every decision went Chelsea's way? Atkinson blowing for a foul just before Torres smashed the ball into the net. Vidic was clearly the aggressor in that situation but he penalised Ivanovic merely for giving him back some of what Vidic started.

As much as the United fans play it down, Rooney threw himself to the deck to try and win a penalty. That was 30 seconds before Rooney scored. If play had been stopped to give Rooney the card he deserved then there'd have been no Rooney goal.

The ball hit Terry directly on his shoulder. It was never a penalty. Thank god Poll isn't a ref anymore if he'd give that as a pen.

Luiz deserved a yellow card for his trip on Rooney. But Scholes has deserved 1,600 yellow cards in his career that he hasn't received, so Utd can go **** themselves over that. The United player who fouled from behind before Malouda's early shot should have been booked, but wasn't. Rooney should have been booked for diving, but wasn't.

While Luiz deserved a booking it clearly was off the ball and the ref could have simply followed the ball and not seen the trip. Fergie, being on the sidelines, would have caught the trip because his eyes were still looking in that direction. If Atkinson saw the deliberate trip then Luiz should have been off, but you can't blame him if he missed it because he was following play.

I think the pen was very soft. The ball was ricocheting around and happened to fall kindly for Chelsea. Smalling had just blocked the ball and he didn't make any movement to trip Zhirkov so it really could have been given either way. But having said that, it was a cast iron penalty compared to Berbatov's against Liverpool, so again they can go **** themselves over it.

Vidic definitely deserved his second yellow. United were angry and were pi55ed off because Chelsea were successfully wasting time in United's end of the pitch. Every time a Chelsea player had the ball United players were kicking lumps out of them in frustration. Giggs was rightly booked for his cynical foul. Vidic then fouled Ramirez, Ramirez rode the challenge and went past him so Vidic dragged him by his shirt and pulled him down. It was the most blatant yellow of the night, on the ball, in a dangerous position and involved dragging back a player when beaten. Just because Luiz got away with a yellow (along with Rooney and Whoever) doesn't negate the fact Vidic deserved that yellow and knew he'd be off over it.

I can understand why Fergie's crying over the match. Much easier to focus on any perceived failings of the ref than make comment on the woeful second half his side put in. He's also going to put pressure on refs for the remainder of the season so that these decisions do favour United.

But IMO the decisions in this match favoured us about 60/40. The way Fergie and United fans are acting you'd think that United got nothing from Atkinson when that was clearly 8o11ox. And given the way United laughed over Rooney getting off over his elbow at Wigan, the hypocrisy from them is overwhelming.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:45 pm  

flipper wrote:

City Ban Kolo Toure for testing positive for something


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Man City defender Kolo Toure fails drugs test and has been suspended pending legal outcome

You can take the club out of Moss Side, but you can't take Moss Side out of the club.

No matter how much money the Sheik pours in, they'll still just be chavs.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:45 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Graham Poll is an idiot.

Every decision went Chelsea's way? Atkinson blowing for a foul just before Torres smashed the ball into the net. Vidic was clearly the aggressor in that situation but he penalised Ivanovic merely for giving him back some of what Vidic started.

As much as the United fans play it down, Rooney threw himself to the deck to try and win a penalty. That was 30 seconds before Rooney scored. If play had been stopped to give Rooney the card he deserved then there'd have been no Rooney goal.

The ball hit Terry directly on his shoulder. It was never a penalty. Thank god Poll isn't a ref anymore if he'd give that as a pen.

Luiz deserved a yellow card for his trip on Rooney. But Scholes has deserved 1,600 yellow cards in his career that he hasn't received, so Utd can go **** themselves over that. The United player who fouled from behind before Malouda's early shot should have been booked, but wasn't. Rooney should have been booked for diving, but wasn't.

While Luiz deserved a booking it clearly was off the ball and the ref could have simply followed the ball and not seen the trip. Fergie, being on the sidelines, would have caught the trip because his eyes were still looking in that direction. If Atkinson saw the deliberate trip then Luiz should have been off, but you can't blame him if he missed it because he was following play.

I think the pen was very soft. The ball was ricocheting around and happened to fall kindly for Chelsea. Smalling had just blocked the ball and he didn't make any movement to trip Zhirkov so it really could have been given either way. But having said that, it was a cast iron penalty compared to Berbatov's against Liverpool, so again they can go **** themselves over it.

Vidic definitely deserved his second yellow. United were angry and were pi55ed off because Chelsea were successfully wasting time in United's end of the pitch. Every time a Chelsea player had the ball United players were kicking lumps out of them in frustration. Giggs was rightly booked for his cynical foul. Vidic then fouled Ramirez, Ramirez rode the challenge and went past him so Vidic dragged him by his shirt and pulled him down. It was the most blatant yellow of the night, on the ball, in a dangerous position and involved dragging back a player when beaten. Just because Luiz got away with a yellow (along with Rooney and Whoever) doesn't negate the fact Vidic deserved that yellow and knew he'd be off over it.

I can understand why Fergie's crying over the match. Much easier to focus on any perceived failings of the ref than make comment on the woeful second half his side put in. He's also going to put pressure on refs for the remainder of the season so that these decisions do favour United.

But IMO the decisions in this match favoured us about 60/40. The way Fergie and United fans are acting you'd think that United got nothing from Atkinson when that was clearly 8o11ox. And given the way United laughed over Rooney getting off over his elbow at Wigan, the hypocrisy from them is overwhelming.

Dream world

Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 7:46 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Graham Poll is an idiot.

Every decision went Chelsea's way? Atkinson blowing for a foul just before Torres smashed the ball into the net. Vidic was clearly the aggressor in that situation but he penalised Ivanovic merely for giving him back some of what Vidic started.

As much as the United fans play it down, Rooney threw himself to the deck to try and win a penalty. That was 30 seconds before Rooney scored. If play had been stopped to give Rooney the card he deserved then there'd have been no Rooney goal.

The ball hit Terry directly on his shoulder. It was never a penalty. Thank god Poll isn't a ref anymore if he'd give that as a pen.

Luiz deserved a yellow card for his trip on Rooney. But Scholes has deserved 1,600 yellow cards in his career that he hasn't received, so Utd can go **** themselves over that. The United player who fouled from behind before Malouda's early shot should have been booked, but wasn't. Rooney should have been booked for diving, but wasn't.

While Luiz deserved a booking it clearly was off the ball and the ref could have simply followed the ball and not seen the trip. Fergie, being on the sidelines, would have caught the trip because his eyes were still looking in that direction. If Atkinson saw the deliberate trip then Luiz should have been off, but you can't blame him if he missed it because he was following play.

I think the pen was very soft. The ball was ricocheting around and happened to fall kindly for Chelsea. Smalling had just blocked the ball and he didn't make any movement to trip Zhirkov so it really could have been given either way. But having said that, it was a cast iron penalty compared to Berbatov's against Liverpool, so again they can go **** themselves over it.

Vidic definitely deserved his second yellow. United were angry and were pi55ed off because Chelsea were successfully wasting time in United's end of the pitch. Every time a Chelsea player had the ball United players were kicking lumps out of them in frustration. Giggs was rightly booked for his cynical foul. Vidic then fouled Ramirez, Ramirez rode the challenge and went past him so Vidic dragged him by his shirt and pulled him down. It was the most blatant yellow of the night, on the ball, in a dangerous position and involved dragging back a player when beaten. Just because Luiz got away with a yellow (along with Rooney and Whoever) doesn't negate the fact Vidic deserved that yellow and knew he'd be off over it.

I can understand why Fergie's crying over the match. Much easier to focus on any perceived failings of the ref than make comment on the woeful second half his side put in. He's also going to put pressure on refs for the remainder of the season so that these decisions do favour United.

But IMO the decisions in this match favoured us about 60/40. The way Fergie and United fans are acting you'd think that United got nothing from Atkinson when that was clearly 8o11ox. And given the way United laughed over Rooney getting off over his elbow at Wigan, the hypocrisy from them is overwhelming.

Shoulder? Don't talk bolllocks. It was square on his arm. It doesn't matter anyway. In the past now. We can still laugh at your team from the premier league summit. Enjoy the Uefa cup.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:00 pm  

You could laugh at about our league position and the fact you will (hopefully) win the league over Arsenal or Citeh, but you aren't laughing. You're too busy crying because someone else got the refs decisions and you didn't.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:01 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Graham Poll is an idiot.

Every decision went Chelsea's way? Atkinson blowing for a foul just before Torres smashed the ball into the net. Vidic was clearly the aggressor in that situation but he penalised Ivanovic merely for giving him back some of what Vidic started.

The fact that sky claimed this as a disallowed goal was rather amusing. The whistle went about 5 seconds before the ball hit the net. and the replay showed Evra jogging from the goal line upfield for the free kick before the ball had even hit the net, while Van Der Sar was happy to watch the ball go past him knowing a free kick had been given.

Dan_FC wrote:

:lol:

Love the hypocritical United fans, that penalty would've been given by almost every referee. Although, for me, Vidic was unlucky he was stupid to go in just after he'd got away with the foul on Drogba but all of a sudden Rooney's elbow has been forgotten, eh

Everton fans spend 90 mins every game moaning at the refs, who have now got wise to their 'lump the ball up to the loan striker and hope for a free kick on the edge of the box' routine.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:10 pm  

Karlos13 wrote:

The fact that sky claimed this as a disallowed goal was rather amusing. The whistle went about 5 seconds before the ball hit the net. and the replay showed Evra jogging from the goal line upfield for the free kick before the ball had even hit the net, while Van Der Sar was happy to watch the ball go past him knowing a free kick had been given.

5 seconds? Get real.

I agree that the whistle had gone before Torres even took the shot, and so it wasn't the major decision it could have been, but that doesn't negate the fact that Vidic was clearly the one who started fouling Ivanovic and didn't deserve the refs decision.

And I'd agree that pretty much all refs are spineless over these situations and always favour defenders, but that doesn't make it right.

As for Van Der Sar happily watching the ball go past him. Even if there hadn't been a whistle he'd have just been watching the ball fly in, just like he was for the Luiz goal. He wasn't saving it, whistle or not.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:23 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

I agree that the whistle had gone before Torres even took the shot

Hardly a disallowed goal then, which was kind of my point.

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:34 am  

I see the Everton season ticket renewal takeover rumours have started, again, what really is going on?

Re: Football Chat Thread : Fri Mar 04, 2011 1:19 pm  

Jack Wilshere is a tool, my despising of him grows every day. Not content being an arrogant pr*ck on the field, he carries his crap over on to twitter, his latest tweet being an attack on Birmingham player Barry Ferguson. i wish him harm, i really do