Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:49 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

I would love to hear your conspiracy theories as to how the Amateur Rugby World Cup on 1987 has morphed into the professional money making machine it is today at the expense of Rugby League

Could I trouble you to explain why the success of the RU has been at the ‘expense’ of Rugby League please as this is the first time I have heard this. Which Rugby League country sees its game weaker since 1987, Australia, England, New Zealand, France?

Thanks

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:37 pm  

Dunbar wrote:

Could I trouble you to explain why the success of the RU has been at the ‘expense’ of Rugby League please as this is the first time I have heard this. Which Rugby League country sees its game weaker since 1987, Australia, England, New Zealand, France?

Thanks

At the expense does not mean that RL has weakened...it just means that opportunities open to both codes have been snapped up and exploited by the IRB whilst the RLIF (is that what it's called this week?) survived on the crumbs from the table of the professional Club game.

As it is, since 1987, RL has become stronger in not only the 4 nations you mention, but also across the world in general...it's just that if you compare the two codes, it looks like Usain Bolt taking on Manuel Uribe over 100 meters.

As I have said already.....RL is the better code of all the footballs I have come across, but until it gets the marketing right, it will continue to lag behind.

You're welcome.



By the way, none of the 4 countries you mentioned are "Rugby League Countries"...they are counties where in every case there is another code of football that gets bigger TV deals and more supporters......and in the case of New Zealand and France, having 1 professional team that plays in another country's competition makes the statement even more ridiculous.

HTH

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:45 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

At the expense does not mean that RL has weakened...it just means that opportunities open to both codes have been snapped up and exploited by the IRB whilst the RLIF (is that what it's called this week?) survived on the crumbs from the table of the professional Club game.

As it is, since 1987, RL has become stronger in not only the 4 nations you mention, but also across the world in general...it's just that if you compare the two codes, it looks like Usain Bolt taking on Manuel Uribe over 100 meters.

As I have said already.....RL is the better code of all the footballs I have come across, but until it gets the marketing right, it will continue to lag behind.

You're welcome.



By the way, none of the 4 countries you mentioned are "Rugby League Countries"...they are counties where in every case there is another code of football that gets bigger TV deals and more supporters......and in the case of New Zealand and France, having 1 professional team that plays in another country's competition makes the statement even more ridiculous.

HTH

Thanks for the reply

I certainly didn’t mean that these were Rugby League countries in the sense that it is the dominant sport there – more that it is where RL itself is at its strongest (PNG being the exception of course which is indeed a Rugby League country). I pride myself in having enough common sense not suggest that any of these are ‘RL countries’

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:23 pm  

Dunbar wrote:

Thanks for the reply

I certainly didn’t mean that these were Rugby League countries in the sense that it is the dominant sport there – more that it is where RL itself is at its strongest (PNG being the exception of course which is indeed a Rugby League country). I pride myself in having enough common sense not suggest that any of these are ‘RL countries’

Thought as much.
The problems faced by League at International level and at Club level can be summed up in numbers......

30> Full time professional RL clubs in the World
2 > Provincial Sides Drawn from the above.
3 >Relevant International Teams
0 >Number of teams below the 30 that seem to matter to the governing bodies
1,000,000,000 > Dollars that the NRL will hold out for next time....further reliance on TV money and not on fans.
44,000> Number of fans prepared to pay from a tenner upwars to see the top 3 International teams and Wales in a Double header at Wembley.......
Compared with
55,000> The Number of Union fans prepared to pay upwards of 35 notes to watch Australia play an exhibition match in London 3 weeks later.

League needs to catch up.......it needs to get fans involved and back into grounds, which in turn will attract sponsors and investors, which will in turn attract media attention,...etc......etc....

IMO that is

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:09 pm  

Sorry to break up the rugby league is going the way of the dodo theme but, Lomu claiming 500,000 euros backpay from Marseille club Welsh regions facing 'radical' change warns rugby union chief

Sorry to break up the rugby league is going the way of the dodo theme but, Lomu claiming 500,000 euros backpay from Marseille club Welsh regions facing 'radical' change warns rugby union chief

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:16 pm  

Catalancs wrote:

Sorry to break up the rugby league is going the way of the dodo theme but,

Apology accepted

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:13 am  

gutterfax wrote: Apology accepted Oh gutterfax, what are you like! Steve Diamond shooting his mouth of again, getting it wrong again, embarrassing himself and Sale Sharks again.

gutterfax wrote: Apology accepted Oh gutterfax, what are you like! Steve Diamond shooting his mouth of again, getting it wrong again, embarrassing himself and Sale Sharks again.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:39 pm  

Catalancs wrote: Oh gutterfax, what are you like! Steve Diamond shooting his mouth of again, getting it wrong again, embarrassing himself and Sale Sharks again. It's a good job for Steve Diamond that so few people in the north west give a flying one about Sale, otherwise he'd be a PR embarrassment. If "crouch, touch, pause, engage.." and 20 minutes per game of scrum time does one thing, it might be to preserve the mental faculties of front row forwards once they reach middle age a little better.

Catalancs wrote: Oh gutterfax, what are you like! Steve Diamond shooting his mouth of again, getting it wrong again, embarrassing himself and Sale Sharks again. It's a good job for Steve Diamond that so few people in the north west give a flying one about Sale, otherwise he'd be a PR embarrassment. If "crouch, touch, pause, engage.." and 20 minutes per game of scrum time does one thing, it might be to preserve the mental faculties of front row forwards once they reach middle age a little better.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:09 pm  

One thing’s for sure, the BBC like to spin their Rugby Union Dan Lydiate's Six Nations ‘moments of magic’ can be found here http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17465020 I have to say, I was expecting a little more from the text

One thing’s for sure, the BBC like to spin their Rugby Union Dan Lydiate's Six Nations ‘moments of magic’ can be found here http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17465020 I have to say, I was expecting a little more from the text

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:48 pm  

Dunbar wrote: One thing’s for sure, the BBC like to spin their Rugby Union Dan Lydiate's Six Nations ‘moments of magic’ can be found here http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17465020 I have to say, I was expecting a little more from the text Have they put the wrong video up? I saw nothing magical in that.

Dunbar wrote: One thing’s for sure, the BBC like to spin their Rugby Union Dan Lydiate's Six Nations ‘moments of magic’ can be found here http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/17465020 I have to say, I was expecting a little more from the text Have they put the wrong video up? I saw nothing magical in that.