Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:44 pm  

Dunbar wrote:

Please stop just guessing at these numbers

OK....17,000 MORE people walked through a turnstyle at Wembley to watch a Rugby Union match than walked through 7 sets of turnstyles to watch 7 Rugby League games the same weekend. An unsunbstantiated number of Rugby League fans decided to come on to a thread about Rugby Union and attempt to poke holes in the achievement of getting 83,000 to a regular season match WITHOUT SPOTTING THE IRONY METER IN THE CORNER ABOUT TO EXPLODE
No made up numbers there...Hope that's OK with you

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Apr 04, 2012 9:50 pm  

FFS dick waving enthusiasts, we put on Eng V Aus at Wembley backed up with the World Cup winners NZ v Wales at a very reasonable price and Wembley looked a bit embarrassingly empty tbh

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:38 pm  

Boys and girls, if you want to knock rugby league then there are plenty of opportunities on here (try the Leigh board).
Can we please keep this for union and union only posts, ta very much.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Apr 05, 2012 8:31 am  

Shark J wrote:

For Cornwall - the only ground I can think of would be Plymouth Argyle and I don't know if they would travel that far, or if they'd even be allowed to use it.

Not posted on here for a while (has SaintCJ fecked off?).

On holiday in Cornwall last summer, I was talking to the lad who ran the bar on our site, he was a Pirates fan, said they were all against sharing with Plymouth.

They are in the planning stage for the "Stadium For Cornwall" so a couple of years and, fingers crossed, we see the mennaye lads in the prem, they are my "second" RU team, with Northampton being my preferred side.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Apr 05, 2012 1:35 pm  

Haven't seen cj on here for a while now. Wasps owner Steve Hayes is computer hacking suspect. How embarrassing.

Haven't seen cj on here for a while now. Wasps owner Steve Hayes is computer hacking suspect. How embarrassing.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Apr 05, 2012 2:54 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

OK....17,000 MORE people walked through a turnstyle at Wembley to watch a Rugby Union match than walked through 7 sets of turnstyles to watch 7 Rugby League games the same weekend. An unsunbstantiated number of Rugby League fans decided to come on to a thread about Rugby Union and attempt to poke holes in the achievement of getting 83,000 to a regular season match WITHOUT SPOTTING THE IRONY METER IN THE CORNER ABOUT TO EXPLODE
No made up numbers there...Hope that's OK with you

That is perfectly fine with me. 17k more people did watch the Union match at Wembley than the Super League round that weekend and that is a statement of fact. As I have said previously, well done to them

What price each of those of 83k paid for their tickets is a matter of conjecture as is whether the whole enterprise was profitable for Saracens or not

The next Saracens home game in the Premiership is on the 5th of May against Exeter and the attendance at this game is a real barometer for the success of Wembley

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Apr 05, 2012 9:27 pm  

Dunbar wrote:

The next Saracens home game in the Premiership is on the 5th of May against Exeter and the attendance at this game is a real barometer for the success of Wembley

Wrong.....although it will be interesting to see what they get. If the next attendance was the basis of the event, they wouldn't have had a week gap before the next home game.....

Sarries RU gained more publicity and column inches over this game than they ever could have reasonably paid for......as a PR excercise, it worked 100%. As for profit/loss, that is a matter for the BOD and the Owner of the club and has little bearing on anything......the record books will show the Seasons average crowd at about 19k......not the 6k they normally manage and that is one of the top 4 averages for attendances in UK rugby of either code and ahead of the highest average in the non Union code.

It amazes me that those times I stumble into a Union forum, not one poster gives any other footballing code a second mention, let alone attempts to slag it off....maybe it's a northern thing eh?

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:03 pm  

That's ballcocks gf. I used to post on Planet Rugby and posts regarding rugby league, soccer and even Aussie rules were commonplace.
If Planet Rugby is a one off and the other union forums you frequent are indeed that insular, I'd suggest that is a negative. Discussion is healthy and if you have a look around RLFans.com you'll find boards discussing sports such as cricket, darts NFL, soccer and ice hockey. I believe there's even a union board somewhere.

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:11 pm  

gutterfax wrote:

Wrong.....although it will be interesting to see what they get. If the next attendance was the basis of the event, they wouldn't have had a week gap before the next home game.....

Sarries RU gained more publicity and column inches over this game than they ever could have reasonably paid for......as a PR excercise, it worked 100%. As for profit/loss, that is a matter for the BOD and the Owner of the club and has little bearing on anything......the record books will show the Seasons average crowd at about 19k......not the 6k they normally manage and that is one of the top 4 averages for attendances in UK rugby of either code and ahead of the highest average in the non Union code.

So, let me get this straight

You tell everybody who will listen (and many who haven’t asked) that you are a marketing professional. Saracens invest an enormous amount of time and effort (not to mention money) to fill Wembley stadium and you don’t think that the attendance at the next home game is a measure of the success of this venture. Is marketing just about big events and not sustainable success then? Whenever I sign off marketing spend, I do make a point of asking what the long term benefits will be

As for the timing of the next home game, I’m sure Saracens could have insisted that the FA move the FA Cup semi finals away from Wembley on the 14th and 15th of April so their big Wembley game could be closer to their next home game at Watford, they were probably just being polite as I’m sure that Saracens always have first refusal of Wembley every year

gutterfax wrote:

It amazes me that those times I stumble into a Union forum, not one poster gives any other footballing code a second mention, let alone attempts to slag it off....maybe it's a northern thing eh?

Just an fyi, if you are wondering why League fans on this thread are talking about Union, it may be because its titled “If you must discuss Union, do it here”. There are many forums and thousands of threads on these boards that are not about Rugby Union

Re: If you must discuss Union, do it here II : Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:12 pm  

Lets put this 'bolloxwongy©gutterfax' to bed.

Edward Griffiths wrote:

All that matters is how we build from here and it's critical we prepare for the Gloucester game and everything is about that. Can we take 1,2 or 3,000 from here to Gloucester? That's the key.

Saffacens ceo speaking in 2009 after their 1st Wembley game ...He also claimed saffacens averaged 8.5k at Watford and that they are hoping for a bump to 12k at their nxt home game against Gloucester....btw gutts there was a fortnights gap between the games.
The attendance for the Gloucester game was 7,776.....

as a PR excercise, it worked 100%

Heh, heh and that was the exact line taken by the saffas once it became obvious their Watford attandences were in permanent decline.

It amazes me that those times I stumble into a Union forum, not one poster gives any other footballing code a second mention, let alone attempts to slag it off

Sorry gf, but speaking as someone who (last time I checked ) is banned from commenting on the cross code section of the stockport sharks board(never posted on the main board, tho it is interesting to see certain posters real thoughts on RL) and once spent a little time on planetpuntmonkey.com and also the green and gold blog/ forum, Id agree with catalancs.

Dunbar wrote:

The next Saracens home game in the Premiership is on the 5th of May against Exeter and the attendance at this game is a real barometer for the success of Wembley

Aye, saffacens nxt home game is the fizzy beer quarterfinal ...Entry for ST holders and their partners, thier friends, and their friends servants tennis partners could be had for as little as £8..Good job the saffacens have wealthy backers....they seem to take in even less money than the newcastle budgies lol.