Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Wed Dec 08, 2010 11:04 pm  

they all cry when they give up the captaincy nowadays....Michael Vaughan, Hansie Cronje, David Beckham

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:45 am  

sally cinnamon wrote:

they all cry when they give up the captaincy nowadays....Michael Vaughan, Hansie Cronje, David Beckham

Kim was ahead of his time in that respect

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:41 am  

flipper wrote:

He's still crying

Happy days!!

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Thu Dec 09, 2010 9:45 am  

mmp wrote:

He personally pushed for Doherty didnt he?

Rightly so, and fully vindicated when Doherty took the key wicket of Pietersen just as he was threatening to run riot!

You can't expect success with a revolving door approach to selection, the Aussies must keep faith with the present players to bounce back.

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:03 am  

Micky Arthur says send for Marsh - Rod?

Micky Arthur says send for Marsh - Rod?

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:45 pm  

Must be Geoff Marsh if they want him to replace Katich.

The Aussies are getting desperate like they were in 1986/87 when they called Taylor into the squad, so the press phoned up Mark Taylor to congratulate him only later to find the actual call up was Peter Taylor who had only played 4 Sheffield Shield Games. They fancied the SCG would turn so wanted to go with two spinners and he was the only off spinner they could find. They were right because him and Peter Sleep got stacks of wickets (so did Emburey) and the Aussies won. Dean Jones played a fantastic innings as well.

I remember for a while a lot of cricket writers had a theory that that last Test of 1986/87, when we had already won the Ashes but they took the final Test off us, was more significant in hindsight than we realised. The Aussies had really been at rock bottom but that win meant they finished the series on a high rather than us, and we played them soon after in the World Cup Final and they beat us. That period marked the turning of the tide....Ashes winners Down Under and World Cup finalists in early 1987 was the high point of English cricket in the 1980s. From that point on, guys like Botham, Gatting, Broad, Emburey and Dilley never made any significant contributions any more, meanwhile the guys in the Aussie side who we had humiliated, Steve Waugh, Dean Jones, Boon, Hughes, Bruce Reid etc, all started to go from strength to strength. By the time they came to England 2 years later they had gone well ahead of us.

It's a lesson we need to bear in mind if we win the Ashes before the last Test....when the Aussies are down don't give them a sniff, we might come to regret it in the long run.

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:18 am  

Smith, Beer, Johnson and Hughes all in. North, Katich and Doherty out.

Aus will probably line up like this:-

Hughes
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Haddin
Smith
Johnson
Harris
Siddle
Beer

Haddin up the order, Smith as the alrounder with Johnson taking the batting to no.8 and two spinners in the side.


Englands bowlers did not get much joy today although Tremlett's figures looked ok 15-4-29-0

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:42 am  

I've just watched the pre first test build up now I'm back in civilised society. Ricky Pontings statement that the group is settled, confident and ready to go does not seem to ring true with these panic selections.

It's lovely to see

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:46 am  

sally cinnamon wrote: Must be Geoff Marsh if they want him to replace Katich. The Aussies are getting desperate like they were in 1986/87 when they called Taylor into the squad, so the press phoned up Mark Taylor to congratulate him only later to find the actual call up was Peter Taylor who had only played 4 Sheffield Shield Games. They fancied the SCG would turn so wanted to go with two spinners and he was the only off spinner they could find. They were right because him and Peter Sleep got stacks of wickets (so did Emburey) and the Aussies won. Dean Jones played a fantastic innings as well. I remember for a while a lot of cricket writers had a theory that that last Test of 1986/87, when we had already won the Ashes but they took the final Test off us, was more significant in hindsight than we realised. The Aussies had really been at rock bottom but that win meant they finished the series on a high rather than us, and we played them soon after in the World Cup Final and they beat us. That period marked the turning of the tide....Ashes winners Down Under and World Cup finalists in early 1987 was the high point of English cricket in the 1980s. From that point on, guys like Botham, Gatting, Broad, Emburey and Dilley never made any significant contributions any more, meanwhile the guys in the Aussie side who we had humiliated, Steve Waugh, Dean Jones, Boon, Hughes, Bruce Reid etc, all started to go from strength to strength. By the time they came to England 2 years later they had gone well ahead of us. It's a lesson we need to bear in mind if we win the Ashes before the last Test....when the Aussies are down don't give them a sniff, we might come to regret it in the long run. I well remember that. There seemed to be a lot of patronising comment in our media along the lines that it was good to see the Aussies salvage some self-respect, and mild amusement that the unheralded Peter Taylor delivered a man-of-the-match performance. Here's the scorecard: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63448.html We've certainly never been as dominant since as we were in the first four matches of that series. We don't do sustained excellence in this country, every time we get it right we think we've cracked it and rest on our laurels. It's about time we learned to become serial winners. Apparently we put down a load of catches in the game with Victoria, so the shortage of wickets for our second string attack is probably less significant than the fact that they all got some overs under their belts and appear to have bowled tidily. Shaun Marsh is actually the son of Geoff Marsh, although he'll have to wait until another time for an opportunity now.

sally cinnamon wrote: Must be Geoff Marsh if they want him to replace Katich. The Aussies are getting desperate like they were in 1986/87 when they called Taylor into the squad, so the press phoned up Mark Taylor to congratulate him only later to find the actual call up was Peter Taylor who had only played 4 Sheffield Shield Games. They fancied the SCG would turn so wanted to go with two spinners and he was the only off spinner they could find. They were right because him and Peter Sleep got stacks of wickets (so did Emburey) and the Aussies won. Dean Jones played a fantastic innings as well. I remember for a while a lot of cricket writers had a theory that that last Test of 1986/87, when we had already won the Ashes but they took the final Test off us, was more significant in hindsight than we realised. The Aussies had really been at rock bottom but that win meant they finished the series on a high rather than us, and we played them soon after in the World Cup Final and they beat us. That period marked the turning of the tide....Ashes winners Down Under and World Cup finalists in early 1987 was the high point of English cricket in the 1980s. From that point on, guys like Botham, Gatting, Broad, Emburey and Dilley never made any significant contributions any more, meanwhile the guys in the Aussie side who we had humiliated, Steve Waugh, Dean Jones, Boon, Hughes, Bruce Reid etc, all started to go from strength to strength. By the time they came to England 2 years later they had gone well ahead of us. It's a lesson we need to bear in mind if we win the Ashes before the last Test....when the Aussies are down don't give them a sniff, we might come to regret it in the long run. I well remember that. There seemed to be a lot of patronising comment in our media along the lines that it was good to see the Aussies salvage some self-respect, and mild amusement that the unheralded Peter Taylor delivered a man-of-the-match performance. Here's the scorecard: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63448.html We've certainly never been as dominant since as we were in the first four matches of that series. We don't do sustained excellence in this country, every time we get it right we think we've cracked it and rest on our laurels. It's about time we learned to become serial winners. Apparently we put down a load of catches in the game with Victoria, so the shortage of wickets for our second string attack is probably less significant than the fact that they all got some overs under their belts and appear to have bowled tidily. Shaun Marsh is actually the son of Geoff Marsh, although he'll have to wait until another time for an opportunity now.

Re: SUPER ENGLAND ASHES TOUR : Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:06 am  

PAUL M wrote:

Smith, Beer, Johnson and Hughes all in. North, Katich and Doherty out.

Aus will probably line up like this:-

Hughes
Watson
Ponting
Clarke
Hussey
Haddin
Smith
Johnson
Harris
Siddle
Beer

Haddin up the order, Smith as the alrounder with Johnson taking the batting to no.8 and two spinners in the side.


Englands bowlers did not get much joy today although Tremlett's figures looked ok 15-4-29-0

The Aussies didn't pick 2 spinners in India and will be even less inclined to do so in Perth of all places.
I think they will go with Smith to replace North and 4 pace men. Smith can bowl spin if need be.