: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:21 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

When Torres scored against United last season and I'm pretty sure he slid on his knees in the corner, is that inciting the fans?

What about Gerrard kissing the camera?

I don't think it's the in front of the fans thing that's the problem, more to do with the 90 metre sprint to do so. Rooney has done the ear thing on front of the kop and the LFC fans behaved very well. What Adebayor did wasn't terrible but the FA have to do address it in some way, a fine would suffice.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:25 pm  

Darkheart wrote:

I don't think it's the in front of the fans thing that's the problem, more to do with the 90 metre sprint to do so. Rooney has done the ear thing on front of the kop and the LFC fans behaved very well. What Adebayor did wasn't terrible but the FA have to do address it in some way, a fine would suffice.

Yeah, they only threw a phone at him didn't they. Fantastic behaviour.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:26 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

Yeah, they only threw a phone at him didn't they. Fantastic behaviour.

I mean in relation to what could have happened. At least they didn't all ring the police or claim that players stood on them.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:27 pm  

Darkheart wrote:

I don't think it's the in front of the fans thing that's the problem, more to do with the 90 metre sprint to do so. Rooney has done the ear thing on front of the kop and the LFC fans behaved very well. What Adebayor did wasn't terrible but the FA have to do address it in some way, a fine would suffice.

A fine would be fine, but there's talk of a ban and people fully blaming it all on Adebayor.

IMO, I think it's pathetic how seriously goal celebrations are looked at. I believe players should be allowed to take off their shirts and run off the pitch IF they're the home side. I believe it adds to show and it allows them to show true passion, something I feel all fans love to see. I don't see how it would be provoking if they're the home side and I don't feel it warrants a yellow card.

What gets me is, the FA apparently won't take action against things the referee has already decided upon, so if somebody's been yellow carded, only in extreme circumstances will they take action. Do people believe Adebayor's celebration was an extreme circumstance? I don't. Especially when you see some of the things on the pitch that are just waved off an accepted, like Guthrie's intentional kick that broke Fagan's leg, or Bosingwa's kick on Benayoun.

Consistency is all I want, if they're now gonna act on things that have been carded and they're gonna give punishments for bad tackles/challenges like Adebayor's, then I want it every week, not once a season.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:52 pm  

Boring, is Adebayor's conduct. He will face a ban because he ran to the away end from across the pitch. As did Neville in 2006. Torres and Gerrard jogged 15 yards towards the Liverpool supporters last season. So I don't know why you're fishing.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:54 pm  

richardviking wrote:

Boring, is Adebayor's conduct. He will face a ban because he ran to the away end from across the pitch. As did Neville in 2006. Torres and Gerrard jogged 15 yards towards the Liverpool supporters last season. So I don't know why you're fishing.

No he didn't. He received a fine.

What would happen if he only ran across part of the pitch?

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:01 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Restraint you expect from an adult and football supporters. FFS.

I don't know what point you are trying to make.

Who has excused the supporters? They are responsible for their actions. Adebayor is responsible for his.

Adebayor crime is celebrating 'too much'? How ridiculous.

Action deliberately taken with the intention of inciting.

What is 'intention to incite'? I doubt that there is a law student in this country who wouldn't be able to pick apart that argument. Nevermind an actual professional.

Yes.

So if you incite and nothing happens, then it's incitement? Interesting. So he could be charged for effectively.....not causing a problem and where no-one has been a 'victim'. That would get laughed out of court. What next, intention to consider not wearing a seatbelt.

I'm not a legal expert, unlike you, but what is the difference between Adebayor's behaviour and screaming "Fire" in a crowded room?

Good grief.


If you walk past a group who are being spoken to by the police and suggest that they outnumber the cops and should all run for it, do you think you'll be arrested and charged or not? I'd suggest you will.

For what? ........How isd this relevant?

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:05 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

No he didn't. He received a fine.

What would happen if he only ran across part of the pitch?

He got a two match suspension as well as a fine.

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:06 pm  

richardviking wrote:

Boring, is Adebayor's conduct. He will face a ban because he ran to the away end from across the pitch. As did Neville in 2006. Torres and Gerrard jogged 15 yards towards the Liverpool supporters last season. So I don't know why you're fishing.

Nobody's fishing. But, imagine the United fans started mini-rioting because of Gerrard's celebration or Torres', would that then be improper conduct because they provoked the fans?

When RvP scored, there's video footage of him running towards the City fans and swearing, pretty sure somebody posted a link to it on here; why can't the FA charge him for improper conduct?

: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:27 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

I don't know what point you are trying to make.

You said, "The incident would not have happened if the fans had shown the kind of restraint you expect from an adult."

But the fact is that football crowds aren't full of restrained adults.

Adebayor crime is celebrating 'too much'? How ridiculous.

He wasn't celebrating. He ran 90m to wind up the Arsenal fans.

What is 'intention to incite'? I doubt that there is a law student in this country who wouldn't be able to pick apart that argument. Nevermind an actual professional.

It's not a legal argument. It's a discussion on a message board.

So if you incite and nothing happens, then it's incitement? Interesting. So he could be charged for effectively.....not causing a problem and where no-one has been a 'victim'. That would get laughed out of court. What next, intention to consider not wearing a seatbelt.

I thought you were alluding to the behaviour that RVP is accused of. Whether he created a crowd problem or not, his behaviour could have. If he did what he's been accused of then he deserves punishment. Just because the crowd were mature enough to ignore him doesn't mean he should get off with it.