Re: Formula 1 Thread : Mon Jun 28, 2010 9:51 am  

Alonso is insane, but that is what makes him great. I can understand to an extent his issue with the time the decision took but for what was essentially the safety car crossing the white line by inches before Hamilton did, which upon reflection cost Lewis the chance and probably the race victory i think he's gone overboard. Probably alot of it is frustration with himself and the team.

As for the Webber incident, firstly it is testament to the cars that he is alive after that. Secondly i disagree with almost all of what DC was saying about whos fault it was. I think it was entirely Webber's own fault. Heikki has track position and they were racing, surely he has no obligation to move out of his way. Webber knows he is significantly faster and Heikki had left him enough room around the outside (and possibly could have gone up the inside) and made no sudden movements. For me Webber arrogantly thought he could just keep going and Heikki would move.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:30 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

As for the Webber incident, firstly it is testament to the cars that he is alive after that. Secondly i disagree with almost all of what DC was saying about whos fault it was. I think it was entirely Webber's own fault. Heikki has track position and they were racing, surely he has no obligation to move out of his way. Webber knows he is significantly faster and Heikki had left him enough room around the outside (and possibly could have gone up the inside) and made no sudden movements. For me Webber arrogantly thought he could just keep going and Heikki would move.

I agree with all of this.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:14 am  

If the BBC are going to use Coulthard, they should have insisted he give up his consultancy roles with Red Bull and Toro Rosso, otherwise his integrity as the supposed "expert" voice in their commentary is badly compromised IMO.

To blame Kovalainen for that accident is ludicrous. What does he want Lotus to do, roll over and die whenever anyone who should be higher up the field comes up behind them? Heikki didn't make a double move, had Webber gone three feet to his right he could have zipped up the inside and been by him in plenty of time to make the next corner.

Red Bull drivers have been guilty of some serious errors of judgement in recent GPs (this one, following hot on the heels of the Webber/Vettel coming together a couple of races ago) and Coulthard has been very careful not to upset his employers on both occasions.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:15 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Alonso is insane, but that is what makes him great. I can understand to an extent his issue with the time the decision took but for what was essentially the safety car crossing the white line by inches before Hamilton did, which upon reflection cost Lewis the chance and probably the race victory i think he's gone overboard. Probably alot of it is frustration with himself and the team.

As for the Webber incident, firstly it is testament to the cars that he is alive after that. Secondly i disagree with almost all of what DC was saying about whos fault it was. I think it was entirely Webber's own fault. Heikki has track position and they were racing, surely he has no obligation to move out of his way. Webber knows he is significantly faster and Heikki had left him enough room around the outside (and possibly could have gone up the inside) and made no sudden movements. For me Webber arrogantly thought he could just keep going and Heikki would move.

I agree. Why should Heikki have to move for him just because his car is slower. Webber has to earn the right to overtake and can't expect other drivers to not defend their position.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:16 pm  

Ferrari throw toys out of pram I don't recall them whinging like this when their driver at the time, Schumacher, not once but twice deliberately took out a rival challenger for the World title. That did more damage to the sport all those years ago than this "incident" will ever do.

Ferrari throw toys out of pram I don't recall them whinging like this when their driver at the time, Schumacher, not once but twice deliberately took out a rival challenger for the World title. That did more damage to the sport all those years ago than this "incident" will ever do.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Mon Jun 28, 2010 10:40 pm  

wire_mad wrote: Ferrari throw toys out of pram I don't recall them whinging like this when their driver at the time, Schumacher, not once but twice deliberately took out a rival challenger for the World title. That did more damage to the sport all those years ago than this "incident" will ever do. Correct, my friend.

wire_mad wrote: Ferrari throw toys out of pram I don't recall them whinging like this when their driver at the time, Schumacher, not once but twice deliberately took out a rival challenger for the World title. That did more damage to the sport all those years ago than this "incident" will ever do. Correct, my friend.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Tue Jun 29, 2010 11:09 am  

wire_mad wrote: Ferrari throw toys out of pram I don't recall them whinging like this when their driver at the time, Schumacher, not once but twice deliberately took out a rival challenger for the World title. That did more damage to the sport all those years ago than this "incident" will ever do. Whine, whine, whine - Ferrari. Boo-hoo.

wire_mad wrote: Ferrari throw toys out of pram I don't recall them whinging like this when their driver at the time, Schumacher, not once but twice deliberately took out a rival challenger for the World title. That did more damage to the sport all those years ago than this "incident" will ever do. Whine, whine, whine - Ferrari. Boo-hoo.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:37 pm  

Hamilton aint no saint though...take the first lap incident with Vettel...he did not have the racing line touched with Vettel and claimed over the radio 'Vettel hit me' no you hit Lewis....there have been other drivers who have won world championships trying to overtake when the shouldn't......and have been heavily critizised for it.

I don't feel sorry for Ferrari...but i do have a bit of sympathy for Alonso

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Tue Jun 29, 2010 12:46 pm  

It was absolutely marginal - fractions of a second involved in whether he was in front of or behind the safety car. It's a sad reflection of how far Ferrari have fallen since Todt and Brawn jumped ship that they're reduced to petty squabbling over the rules to get points, see also their moaning about the Schumacher overtake in Monaco under the safety car. Their ludicrous subsequent complaint about Hamilton backing the pack up under the safety car was major grasping at straws.

Get over it and start concentrating on why you've got such a dog of a car if I were you Luca.

Alonso's whining when things don't go his way was tiresome when he was winning, it comes across even worse now he's not.

As for the coming together with Vettel, racing incident. In the first few corners of a GP there are little collisions like that happening all over the track.

Re: Formula 1 Thread : Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:19 pm  

Up the Dons wrote:

I don't feel sorry for Ferrari...but i do have a bit of sympathy for Alonso

Would Alonso be kicking up such a fuss if it was any other driver than Hamilton? Probably not, he would still whine but not to the same extent as a child that doesn't get their own way. I think he's still bitter at how he was out driven and outsmarted by a "rookie" driver.