Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:59 pm  

I think Peyton manning is the most important individual player to any team in the NFL. The O-Line is not that good, their receivers are average below Clark and Wayne, and the defense is decent at best. The running game was ranked 32nd in the league.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:02 pm  

Mark wrote:

Explain in depth please?

As good as Johnson is they have Lendale White who could start for alot of teams in the league, he'd be more than capable of taking over and while they'd lose a step they could still function. Secondly while he is excellent they started 0-6. Bring in VY and they end up 8-8 with his lowest yards then being 104 yards. He is excellent but i don't think he is more valuable than Manning.

As for Manning, he brings everything together, he is essentially a coach who plays, he makes adjustements at the line. Without him in the lineup the Colts have been scored on 47-0. I think he is the most valuable player to any team.

It just depends on whether you view the MVP award as being, that Most Valuable Player, or simply the best player.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:05 pm  

ST_CONROY wrote:

As good as Johnson is they have Lendale White who could start for alot of teams in the league, he'd be more than capable of taking over and while they'd lose a step they could still function. Secondly while he is excellent they started 0-6. Bring in VY and they end up 8-8 with his lowest yards then being 104 yards. He is excellent but i don't think he is more valuable than Manning.

As for Manning, he brings everything together, he is essentially a coach who plays, he makes adjustements at the line. Without him in the lineup the Colts have been scored on 47-0. I think he is the most valuable player to any team.

It just depends on whether you view the MVP award as being, that Most Valuable Player, or simply the best player.

From your logic then surely Vince Young is the Titans MVP as they were 0-6 without him?

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:36 pm  

Gaslight wrote:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4673771/football-outsiders-brady-ranks-no-1

So much for Brady "not being himself" this year eh

ELITE AND STILL UNDERRATED EVEN AFTER ALL THESE YEARS

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:03 pm  

If the Rams didnt have Jackson, they'd have gone 0-16 IMO

Shane Lechler for MVP?

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:23 pm  

Mark wrote:

From your logic then surely Vince Young is the Titans MVP as they were 0-6 without him?

No.

My point is that as good as Johnson is (and that is brilliant) even with him to begin with they were 0-6. Improve the other facets (bring in VY) and they improve. CJ is the biggest and most valuable weapon on the Titans team but there is absolutely no doubt that Manning is the more valuable player overall. Every aspect of the offence runs through him, and not just as the QB, he makes so many adjustments at the line, he is as good as the offensive co-ordinators.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:23 pm  

Drachen Feuer wrote:

Shane Lechler for MVP?

Did he end up breaking Sammy Baugh's record?

The Raiders are the only team in the NFL that put their punter and kicker on the front of their programmes. How sad is that?

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:30 pm  

RedTez wrote: I think Peyton manning is the most important individual player to any team in the NFL. The O-Line is not that good, . NFL.com has it ranked as the best O-Line in the league. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true I'd like to see how valuable Peyton would look behind the Redskins line where Campbell was sacked/hit nearly 100 times more than Peyton.

RedTez wrote: I think Peyton manning is the most important individual player to any team in the NFL. The O-Line is not that good, . NFL.com has it ranked as the best O-Line in the league. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true I'd like to see how valuable Peyton would look behind the Redskins line where Campbell was sacked/hit nearly 100 times more than Peyton.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:18 am  

Anyone watchin Longhorns/Tide tonight? Should be a cracker. I'm going for Tx if they can shut Ingram down.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:31 am  

G1 wrote:

Did he end up breaking Sammy Baugh's record?

The Raiders are the only team in the NFL that put their punter and kicker on the front of their programmes. How sad is that?

Missed out in the end after week 16 & 17 didnt go great.