Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:52 am  

McCoy injured in Texas' 1st drive! Went over on his shoulder. Bama look nervous as hell though.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:37 am  

G1 wrote: NFL.com has it ranked as the best O-Line in the league. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true I'd like to see how valuable Peyton would look behind the Redskins line where Campbell was sacked/hit nearly 100 times more than Peyton. If you basing it just on sacks then fne, it's amazing. If you watch the Colts game closely (not saying you haven't) you'll see that Peytons blitz recognition, changes of plays at the line and his quick release is the main reason for that. Look at the other side of the coin - the rushing attack. 31st in Average rushing yards. This is against teams who will likely play the pass. Looking at the Chargers - as I know that team better than any other in depth in the league, in terms of Sacks they have the 7th best O-Line in the league. There's not a hope in hell of that. There are 2 good players on the line - McNeil and Dielman. You then have had a back up centre, rookie RG Vasquez and an average RT in Clary (who admittedly upped his game this year). The reason the sacks are quite low is due to one man - Philip Rivers. PS - I'm still gutted the Chargers didn't draft Oher.

G1 wrote: NFL.com has it ranked as the best O-Line in the league. http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&tabSeq=2&qualified=true I'd like to see how valuable Peyton would look behind the Redskins line where Campbell was sacked/hit nearly 100 times more than Peyton. If you basing it just on sacks then fne, it's amazing. If you watch the Colts game closely (not saying you haven't) you'll see that Peytons blitz recognition, changes of plays at the line and his quick release is the main reason for that. Look at the other side of the coin - the rushing attack. 31st in Average rushing yards. This is against teams who will likely play the pass. Looking at the Chargers - as I know that team better than any other in depth in the league, in terms of Sacks they have the 7th best O-Line in the league. There's not a hope in hell of that. There are 2 good players on the line - McNeil and Dielman. You then have had a back up centre, rookie RG Vasquez and an average RT in Clary (who admittedly upped his game this year). The reason the sacks are quite low is due to one man - Philip Rivers. PS - I'm still gutted the Chargers didn't draft Oher.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:38 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

No.

My point is that as good as Johnson is (and that is brilliant) even with him to begin with they were 0-6. Improve the other facets (bring in VY) and they improve. CJ is the biggest and most valuable weapon on the Titans team but there is absolutely no doubt that Manning is the more valuable player overall. Every aspect of the offence runs through him, and not just as the QB, he makes so many adjustments at the line, he is as good as the offensive co-ordinators.

The point you made previously though about the colts being gas wihtout him would surely apply to VY as well though. Anyway, look on ESPN website. Clayton has done a wonderful piece on the Packers playoff chances, he gives them the credit youve been waiting for, he also says there are about 15 elite quarterbacks in the NFL.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:38 am  

The point you made previously though about the colts being gash without him would surely apply to VY as well though. Anyway, look on ESPN website. Clayton has done a wonderful piece on the Packers playoff chances, he gives them the credit youve been waiting for, he also says there are about 15 elite quarterbacks in the NFL.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:04 am  

G1 wrote:

Did he end up breaking Sammy Baugh's record?

The Raiders are the only team in the NFL that put their punter and kicker on the front of their programmes. How sad is that?

I remember Adam bringing me a Titans vs. Raiders programme a few years back and Shane Lechler was on the front of it.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:04 am  

Mark wrote:

The point you made previously though about the colts being gas wihtout him would surely apply to VY as well though.

No not at all. Chris Johnson is the Titans MVP. Absolutely no doubt about that, but he needs VY (or a QB to be playing well) and vice versa.

Mark wrote:

Anyway, look on ESPN website. Clayton has done a wonderful piece on the Packers playoff chances, he gives them the credit youve been waiting for, he also says there are about 15 elite quarterbacks in the NFL.

Yep, i've read the article. Rodgers still needs more credit and he'll start to get it no doubt when we beat Arizona and then he leads us to Miami.

I also disagree that there are 15. Personally i think there are between 5-7 at most.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:34 am  

Cribbs is going to request a trade from Cleveland since they only offered him $1.4 per year.

Congratulations Browns on managing to get rid of your best player.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:38 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

No not at all. Chris Johnson is the Titans MVP. Absolutely no doubt about that, but he needs VY (or a QB to be playing well) and vice versa.

Yep, i've read the article. Rodgers still needs more credit and he'll start to get it no doubt when we beat Arizona and then he leads us to Miami.

I also disagree that there are 15. Personally i think there are between 5-7 at most.

His argument was that its hard to throw for 25+ tds and 4k and now alot of players have the ability to do that.

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:42 am  

ST_CONROY wrote:

Cribbs is going to request a trade from Cleveland since they only offered him $1.4 per year.

Congratulations Browns on managing to get rid of your best player.

I cant believe that they are willing to let him go, no scrap that this is the Cleveland Browns were talking about they are complete numpties, I dont know if he will change his mind now because he said this before Mangini was confirmed to be staying on as coach so maybe Mangini will pesuade Holmgren to resign him to a better contract, if not I would expect the Oakland Raiders to be the first team on the phone trying to trade for him, hes also a better QB than JaMarcus Russel having completed 22.2 % of his passes so maybe they could kill 2 birds with 1 stone

Re: NFL Chat 2 : Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:55 am  

Eagles are gonna do it this year guys. Maclin game winning td 'gainst Colts.