Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 6:34 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

Man United's run of success owes itself as much to their wealth as anything else. They were lucky to become the biggest club in the country and to start a reign of success at the beginning of the Sky era. They were also helped massively by being in the CL every year. They have massive advantages over everyone else but you never get anyone belittling their honours.

Even with unlimited wealth, Citeh face a massive climb to be able to compete with the likes of Man United and Chelsea to win titles. Those clubs have top, established players and have the knowledge and experience of what it takes to win the major prizes. They have managers who have won a pair of CL titles each.

For you to say that Citeh beating them to the title isn't an achievement is just stupid. Of course they wouldn't even be challenging without the money, but just because they have the money there is still a huge amount of luck and hard work involved to earn them a league title.

And you geordies tried to buy your place at the top of English football and managed to screw it up. Tough 5hit that your rich benefactors aren't rich enough or are just divvy frauds.

Scholes
Beckham
Neville
Neville
Giggs
Butt

Those 6 players have been critical parts of Ferguson's success, and (IIRC) were all basically home-grown players.

For every Van Nistelroy (sp) or Ferdinand that Man U brought they've also developed young players as they've gone along.

Like I said everyone's opinion's different, but mine is that Man City are not a big club and would be 11th or 12th in the league without the rich owner. They'll never be anywhere near the size of Man U or Liverpool, and assuming the owner gets bored and pulls the plug within a few years they probably won't buy many trophies anyway.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:01 pm  

Roofs wrote:

Scholes
Beckham
Neville
Neville
Giggs
Butt

Those 6 players have been critical parts of Ferguson's success, and (IIRC) were all basically home-grown players.

For every Van Nistelroy (sp) or Ferdinand that Man U brought they've also developed young players as they've gone along.

Like I said everyone's opinion's different, but mine is that Man City are not a big club and would be 11th or 12th in the league without the rich owner. They'll never be anywhere near the size of Man U or Liverpool, and assuming the owner gets bored and pulls the plug within a few years they probably won't buy many trophies anyway.

No club in England will probably ever be able to compete with the size of Manchester United.

But Liverpool have an old ground that's too small and are desperate for foreign owners to come in and keep them at the top. If they don't get the new owners, don't get a new stadium and slide down the league then Citeh can easily become a bigger club than them.

Nobody is under any illusion that Citeh would be anywhere near where they are without the money that's been splashed upon them. But FFS going from that to Citeh never deserving any credit whatever they do is pathetic.

Citeh could end up being a major force in world football. They could end up being the biggest joke in football. The money is a huge factor in them possibly being a world force, but it's by no means guaranteed that's where they're heading.

I truly hope Citeh win nothing from a billion pounds of investment. I hope they end up relegated like Leeds and Newcastle. But if they won the title this season, they'd deserve credit for pulling off a major victory against better sides and established teams. Trying to belittle any achievement they get is just childish.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:06 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

No club in England will probably ever be able to compete with the size of Manchester United.

But Liverpool have an old ground that's too small and are desperate for foreign owners to come in and keep them at the top. If they don't get the new owners, don't get a new stadium and slide down the league then Citeh can easily become a bigger club than them.

Nobody is under any illusion that Citeh would be anywhere near where they are without the money that's been splashed upon them. But FFS going from that to Citeh never deserving any credit whatever they do is pathetic.

Citeh could end up being a major force in world football. They could end up being the biggest joke in football. The money is a huge factor in them possibly being a world force, but it's by no means guaranteed that's where they're heading.

I hope City go down too, would love to see real clubs like Newcastle and Leeds back near the top where both belong.
I truly hope Citeh win nothing from a billion pounds of investment. I hope they end up relegated like Leeds and Newcastle. But if they won the title this season, they'd deserve credit for pulling off a major victory against better sides and established teams. Trying to belittle any achievement they get is just childish.

Trust me they will never, ever be anywhere near as big as Liverpool - Liverpool are one of the biggest and most famous clubs in the game with supporters all over the world. City (and Chelsea) are pretty much un-followed outside the UK.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:11 pm  

windy one 2010 wrote:

has everybody forgotten Jack Walker/Blackburn bought the title.

Nothing wrong with that.99% of other teams fans would love to have a big money backer.We were just lucky the Jack came along before the billionaires did otherwise we would never have won the title as he never had that kind of money.I suppose the thing about Jack that is not the same as the new money men is he was a Rovers fan from birth and not just looking for any club to take over.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:37 pm  

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNew ... 49,00.html Sad news, really feel for him. Hope he doesn't get too down about it and manages to keep himself in football.

http://www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNew ... 49,00.html Sad news, really feel for him. Hope he doesn't get too down about it and manages to keep himself in football.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:45 pm  

He looked like a good prospect, sad that his promising career has been ended at 21.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:51 pm  

Totally fallen out of love with Joe Cole. Even before tonight and his sending off at the weekend. I just think he's sh-t these days.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 8:52 pm  

Roofs wrote:

Milner in paper saying he's signed for Man City to win (shouldn't that be buy?) the Premiership. Respect Milner as a player, but I don't see how any Man City player could get any joy or satisfaction if they do end up buying one or more trophies this season, absolutely no achievement whatsoever IMO.

You do make me chuckle lad. How on earth can pocketing over £100k a week and winning a title not be enjoyable? I'd bloody love it!

To belittle any team winning a title is preposterous and if Mancini manages it with Man City it would be nothing but extremely impressive. To assemble a squad over one summer and have it challenge immediately would be very impressive. All Man City are doing is what Utd and Chelsea have done over the past few years, just at an accelerated pace.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:34 pm  

El Pac Carnegie wrote:

All Man City are doing is what Utd and Chelsea have done over the past few years, just at an accelerated pace.

Correct.

Re: Close Season Football Chat : Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:25 am  

Yep, Joe Cole is better than Messi.

William Gallas to Spurs?