: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:27 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

Haven't Talksport just said he's now staying?

Liverpool: Reina, Johnson, Carragher, Ayala, Insua, Mascherano, Lucas, Kuyt, Gerrard, Benayoun, Torres. Subs: Cavalieri, Voronin, Riera, Babel, Ngog, Kelly, Dossena.

Stoke: Sorensen, Wilkinson, Shawcross, Abdoulaye Faye, Higginbotham, Delap, Whelan, Whitehead, Etherington, Beattie, Cresswell. Subs: Simonsen, Griffin, Cort, Lawrence, Fuller, Kitson, Pugh.

Liverpool possibly there for the taking?...

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:29 pm  

Robbie Rotten wrote:

Haven't Talksport just said he's now staying?

They also said he dresses up as Krusty the Klown for the players kids birthday partys

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:53 pm  

There was a rumour going around work today that Benitez stormed out of a club meeting earlier today and that he might walk after tonight's game. Anyway, don't know if this has been posted but Sports Direct apologise for selling Manchester United shirt with a Hillsborough slur.

There was a rumour going around work today that Benitez stormed out of a club meeting earlier today and that he might walk after tonight's game. Anyway, don't know if this has been posted but Sports Direct apologise for selling Manchester United shirt with a Hillsborough slur.

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:05 pm  

Burnley 1 - 0 Man Utd

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:05 pm  

Burnley 1-0 Man Utd

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:11 pm  

Why is it such a surprise? Look at the United lineup. I'd expect most teams to at least take a point off that line up especially one in its home game ever in the premier league

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:12 pm  

MrPhilb wrote:

Why is it such a surprise? Look at the United lineup. I'd expect most teams to at least take a point off that line up especially one in its home game ever in the premier league

Not a surprise, just funny.

The goal was absolutely top drawer.

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:12 pm  

Enfield Exile wrote:

Mate, that's a silly thing to say. You are saying that a United fan is more likely to tell the truth (about an accusation made against United fans than Liverpool, Leeds and City supporters. I'd trust three unreliable sources over one solitary unrealiable source.





You will get some Blues singing "Town full of Munichs" (at away games) and "Carlos Tevez is a Blue...He hates Munichs" (recently). Now I have not sang those songs, and neither will I do in the future. I believe it to be disrespectful. IMO a number of City fans perform these chants because they do believe United milked the disaster. Munich is a term that has stuck. If you talk to Blues on read City forums, you will find the majority think it is unnacceptable to make any reference to Munich. Believe me, when references are made to Munich during games, the City forums go ballistic. The vast majority of City fans will not refer to Munich in any chant or song.

Those who chant about the actual disaster, are simply offensive, and make such chants because they are...pathetic...what else can I say?

Maybe I am hypocritical. I mock scousers re 'self-pity city' etc.. Now people, including United fans and supporters from other clubs, including City, use this to mock scousers for, let's say, over-doing it with memorials, funderals etc.. This could include Heysel and Hillsbrough (from my own point of view, it relates more to Ken Bigley etc..). Is referring to Liverpool as 'self-pity city', and mocking scousers for this, more acceptable than City fans chanting "Carlos Tevez is a Blue...."?





What point are you trying to make here? What does it matter whether or not it is to do with Munich? You lot hissed at Spurs fans two years ago (missus was pregnant last year so din't go). This was on Holocaust Memorial Day. On this occasion, would it be okay for Spurs fans to sing about Munich? Deary me.

You've missed my point spectacularly. I'm not saying one makes the other acceptable. What I'm saying is that, when United fans sing songs about disasters or something else on here, they're rightly scorned about it on here. However, it's done with a righteous sense of indignation and, when people like myself point out things like the above mentioned Old Trafford incident they're roundly denied and/or justified with comments like "well you started it by goading people with aeroplane gestures." Which, nine times out of ten, is rubbish.

My main bug bear is the denials. Yes, Reds have hissed at Spurs. Yes, there's been songs about Foe, Hillsborough and even that disaster in Wales in the 70s when the mine collapsed (I'm on my phone, no chance I can spell it!) I know it'r happened, I've walked out of pubs because of it and got into arguments with Reds over it. Yet the last time I mentioned the derby I'm talking about on here you and Dave flatly denied it had ever happened. Even though 60 thousand people saw it. Dave even started banging on about the whole goading business again.

If that sort of sh*t could be knocked on the head on here and we could all just admit these things happen then things would be much easier. Otherwise we'll just carry on getting the old "well I go to derbys and you don't so I'm right" rubbish.

Right, I'm not after a fight here so I'll sod off for a while and leave you all to it!

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:30 pm  

GT wrote:

Must be true then.

Karl's spot on with what he said. It's been a while since Dave has come out with his "United fans goad people into singing Munich" line, though, so it's no shock. What's next? Telling us how most city fans do it because it's pointing out that United as a club milk the disaster? Or denying that two thirds of the city end sang "who's that dying..." at Old Trafford a few years ago? At least I can admit that, on that occasion, they were goaded. Albeit by K Stand singing "Alfie how's your leg", nothing to do with Munich.

They're not known as liars for nothing.

I don't like being accused of lying captain because anyone who knows me knows that is not what I am.

It's not my opinion. It's a plain fact. And in answer to Karl, when you are on the back row of the stand, it's very easy to see what is going on.

I am under no illusions what some of our supporters are like, and I won't condone it, it's the pathetic denial of your own supporters as to what really goes on that really gets my back up. It gets my back up even more when such denials come from people who haven't even set foot in the place for years and cannot possibly know for sure either way.

: Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:41 pm  

Like I said. You must have good eyesight to be able to watch the away end, K stand and the game all at the same time.