Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:10 am  

The Wizard wrote:

Heres a question for you, how many of our best 11 would get into either Man U, Chelsea or Arsenals best 11 ?

Reina would start at any of the 3 clubs mentioned
Johnson would defintely get in Uniteds team and have a good shout of Arsenal or Chelseas
Gerrard would start at any of the 3 clubs mentioned
Mascherano would start for Arsenal
Torres would start at any of the 3 clubs.

So that's 3 that would walk into any of the other 3 teams. If we were doing a joint squad of the 4 teams, we would fill our share comfortably and could make a case for having 5 players in a hypothetical 18 man squad.

It's nothing to do with that though. It's the fact that United/Arsenal and Chelsea have better squad players than us. The likes of Agger, Benayoun and hopefully Aquilani are all good enough to be part of a championship winning side IMO but the likes of Aurelio, Degen, Babel, Riera, Kyriagkos, Insua, Kuyt, Lucas (who has certainly been better this season), Ngog (currently) shouldn't be starting ANY crucial games for Liverpool.

All teams have poor players though. It's just that Liverpool seem to have more.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:15 pm  

If i were to pick a team from the top 4 it'd be:

GK: Renia

LB: A Cole
CB: Vidic/Ferdinand
CB: Terry (C)
RB: Johnson

CM: Fabregas
CM: Gerrard
CM: Lampard


ST: Drogba
ST: Torres
ST: Rooney

Bench

GK: Cech
DEF: Carragher (On his day)
DEF: Vidic/Ferdinand
MID: Carrick
MID: J Cole
ST: Owen
ST: Van Persie

I dont think Arsenal have a great squad, they have players who play well but would struggle to get in anyother team apart from RVP and Fabregas.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:28 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

Reina would start at any of the 3 clubs mentioned
Johnson would defintely get in Uniteds team and have a good shout of Arsenal or Chelseas
Gerrard would start at any of the 3 clubs mentioned
Mascherano would start for Arsenal
Torres would start at any of the 3 clubs.

So that's 3 that would walk into any of the other 3 teams. If we were doing a joint squad of the 4 teams, we would fill our share comfortably and could make a case for having 5 players in a hypothetical 18 man squad.

It's nothing to do with that though. It's the fact that United/Arsenal and Chelsea have better squad players than us. The likes of Agger, Benayoun and hopefully Aquilani are all good enough to be part of a championship winning side IMO but the likes of Aurelio, Degen, Babel, Riera, Kyriagkos, Insua, Kuyt, Lucas (who has certainly been better this season), Ngog (currently) shouldn't be starting ANY crucial games for Liverpool.

All teams have poor players though. It's just that Liverpool seem to have more.

Sound logic, but slightly glosses over the issue. Yes, in a team made up from the 'big 4' you'd probably hold your own, but there's still a problem. You point out that 3 of your best 11 would get into those of your rivals, but the key issue there is the flip side; all of your title rivals have knocking on 8 players in their team who are better than yours. That's just a huge gulf.

In fact, extend it a bit. How many of your best 11 do you honestly think would crack the Spurs team? It's a closely run thing IMO, and they have better depth. That shouldn't be the case such a short time after them being relegation candidates and you topping the table.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:31 pm  

Sam Buca wrote:

I dont think Arsenal have a great squad, they have players who play well but would struggle to get in anyother team apart from RVP and Fabregas.

Vermaelen, Clichy, Walcott, and Arshavin/Rosicky would all get in Liverpool's 11 IMO as well, and possibly Gallas too.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:48 pm  

Sthelens RLFC wrote:

Reina would start at any of the 3 clubs mentioned
Johnson would defintely get in Uniteds team and have a good shout of Arsenal or Chelseas
Gerrard would start at any of the 3 clubs mentioned
Mascherano would start for Arsenal
Torres would start at any of the 3 clubs.

So that's 3 that would walk into any of the other 3 teams. If we were doing a joint squad of the 4 teams, we would fill our share comfortably and could make a case for having 5 players in a hypothetical 18 man squad.

It's nothing to do with that though. It's the fact that United/Arsenal and Chelsea have better squad players than us. The likes of Agger, Benayoun and hopefully Aquilani are all good enough to be part of a championship winning side IMO but the likes of Aurelio, Degen, Babel, Riera, Kyriagkos, Insua, Kuyt, Lucas (who has certainly been better this season), Ngog (currently) shouldn't be starting ANY crucial games for Liverpool.

All teams have poor players though. It's just that Liverpool seem to have more.

Sounds you have a lot of good individuals who need to play as a team. Or maybe it's the manager.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 12:51 pm  

carl_spackler wrote:

Vermaelen, Clichy, Walcott, and Arshavin/Rosicky would all get in Liverpool's 11 IMO as well, and possibly Gallas too.

Vermalen ahead of whom?
Walcott is vastly overrated.
Arshavin and Rosicky are pretty decent players, i'll give you that.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:06 pm  

Sam Buca wrote:

Vermalen ahead of whom?
Walcott is vastly overrated.
Arshavin and Rosicky are pretty decent players, i'll give you that.

This season, Carragher. And from what I've seen so far he's quite possibly better than Skrtel and Agger as well. From this thread, it seems that many Liverpool fans are blind to how monumentally poor Carragher has been this season.

Walcott is overhyped I agree, but still a good player when fit. He's certainly a more dangerous player than Kuyt IMO, who aside from work rate doesn't offer a great deal to a top 4 side.

The thing is, before the season kicked off it was almost unanimously thought that Arsenal's was the top 4 place under threat from big-spending Man City, due to what people perceived as the weakest squad. As it's turned out, they're now looking stronger than last year's runners up whom they finished 14 points behind with just miniscule changes to their team. So is it Arsenal's players overachieving this year, or simply their emergence and Liverpool's overachievement last season?

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:17 pm  

Sam Buca wrote:

I dont think Arsenal have a great squad, they have players who play well but would struggle to get in anyother team apart from RVP and Fabregas.

What about Sagna? you not putting him in the squad!?

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:58 pm  

Reina

Sagna
Vermalan
Terry
Evra

Arshavin
Essien
Fletcher
Giggs

Drogba
Rooney

That would be my team made up of last season's top 4 on form this season so far.

Re: More Football Chat : Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:31 pm  

Dan_FC wrote:

What about Sagna? you not putting him in the squad!?

I dont like Sagna, I think he can be caught out quite easily at times.