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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:44 am  
The Delhomme situation made simple....ish.

This year

The current season remains essentially unchanged, paying Delhomme a guaranteed $3.2M salary along with a $3.125M signing bonus, giving him the same $6.325M – although now fully guaranteed – that was due prior to the extension and cutting his cap charge because half the money in a prorated signing bonus.

Next year is where it gets a bit complicated.

The two options

The first option – exercisable between March 1 and May 15, 2010 – calls for $12.7M to extend the contract through 2013.

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers don’t exercise the option during that time frame? Well, there is a “non-exercise fee” payment of $10.14M to Delhomme, or 80 percent of the option amount.

The second option – exercisable between March 1 and Sept. 1, 2011 – is for $3.4M to extend the contract through 2014.

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers don’t exercise the option during that time frame? Well, there is a “non-exercise fee” payment of approximately $2.535M, or 75 percent of the second option amount.

These options of a collective $16M combined with the $6.325M guaranteed this season for a total guarantee of $22.38M.

If the Panthers do not exercise the options, the combined amount of the non-exercise fees is $12.7M, which combined with the $6.325M guaranteed this season equal a total guarantee of $19M.

Superseding contract



Carolina extended the contract of Delhomme for five more years despite the disappointing end to last season.
The Panthers also have the right to “supersede” the contract during a three-week time frame between late April and early May 2010. This would require paying Delhomme a signing bonus of $10.14M, the same figure as the non-exercise fee of the first option above. In superseding the contract, the options would become null and void and the contract would expire in 2012.

In the event the Panthers elect to do the superseding contract, the future salaries would become non-guaranteed for 2011 and 2012, although $2.535M of the 2010 salary – the exact amount of the second option non-exercise fee – would be guaranteed, bringing the total guarantee through the supersede to that same $12.7M figure above.

Release prior to options or supersede

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers simply release Delhomme prior to March, never reaching the time frame to exercise the option, pay the non-exercise fee or supersede the contract? Good question. The short answer is that they’re not off the hook.

The contract provides for guaranteed salaries in 2010, 2011 and 2012. The guaranteed salary ensures payment to Delhomme even if he’s terminated (his contract, not him).

The guarantees are for skill (not being good enough), injury (having an injury carrying into the next year) or cap (having too high a cap number). The amounts of the guarantees are:

2010: $4.16M
2011: $5.12M
2102: $3.4M




Predictably, the total guaranteed future salary amount of approximately $12.7M is the exact same amount as the first option. Upon exercise of that option, the future guaranteed salaries become null and void, replaced by far lower salaries that are not guaranteed.

These guarantees serve to protect Delhomme from being released prior to next season, an eventuality that looked nearly impossible to the team a few months ago yet would seem certainly within the realm of possibility now.

Of course, the guaranteed future salaries are necessary for Delhomme to have entered into this extension rather than playing out his contract. No player or agent would agree to an extension that allows a team to simply release the player without consequence. There is no reason for a player to sign an extension without putting him in a greater financial position than not having one. Delhomme’s agents protected almost $13M for him no matter what the circumstances after 2009.

Four ways to $13M guaranteed

Thus, the Panthers can release Delhomme prior to next season and subject themselves to almost $13M of future guaranteed salary. Or they can supersede the contract and pay the same almost $13M guaranteed through signing bonus and guaranteed salary in 2010. Or they can exercise the future option payments and subject themselves to the same almost $13M guaranteed (or over $16M guaranteed with the exercise of the second option). Or they can opt not to exercise the options and subject themselves to the same almost $13M guaranteed through the non-exercise fees.

The above is a detailed way of saying the Panthers are on the hook for almost $13M guaranteed to Delhomme, a player who will be 35 in January and whose contract they could have let expire at the end of this season with no future obligation.

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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:37 pm  
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Isn't there a second London game? I heard Jacksonville are one team?

Was supposed to be the Jags versus the Redskins which I would've been pleased about.

However, the Jags owner has refused to give up a home game because he's taking so much heat locally over the rumoured move to LA. The league want it because of the Jags poor attendances and small TV market and they're still pushing which is why they've said they hope to announce a 2nd game in a couple of weeks.

However, they're also putting the feelers out to other teams.

If it doesn't come over here I'll be off out to my place in Florida for the game.
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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:10 pm  
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If it doesn't come over here I'll be off out to my place in Florida for the game.



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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:06 pm  
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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:35 pm  
Marvin Lewis -coach of the year
Nobody would have predicted the Bengals winning the AFC North so it's a good choice.
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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:56 pm  
Have the spreads been put up for this week?

Gunna be a good night of viewing. I'm taking the Cards to win in New Orleans and the Colts to beat the Ravens in a very close game. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens provide an upset if they can get off to a fast start again a set of Colts 1st teamers who haven't played at full steam for a while now.
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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:43 pm  
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Have the spreads been put up for this week?

Gunna be a good night of viewing. I'm taking the Cards to win in New Orleans and the Colts to beat the Ravens in a very close game. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens provide an upset if they can get off to a fast start again a set of Colts 1st teamers who haven't played at full steam for a while now.



I was going to ask the same about the spreads.

In the games tonight i'm taking New Orleans. They've been sputtering but they still have probably the best overall offence in the NFL. The defence is pretty decent and i just don't see the Cards being that good two weeks in a row.

I'll take the Ravens in the other game. The Ravens match up excellently againts Indy IMO. They have an excellent running game to take down the clock and keep it away from Manning. They are a good defence at confusing Manning (as much as posssible) and keeping him on his toes. If Flacco plays well then they will win.
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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:47 pm  
El Pac Carnegie wrote:
Have the spreads been put up for this week?

Gunna be a good night of viewing. I'm taking the Cards to win in New Orleans and the Colts to beat the Ravens in a very close game. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens provide an upset if they can get off to a fast start again a set of Colts 1st teamers who haven't played at full steam for a while now.


Completely forgot, been a long week.

Spreads as follows (if people manage to predict before the games start) :-

Date & Time Favorite Spread Underdog
1/16 4:30 ET At New Orleans -7 Arizona
1/16 8:15 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Baltimore
1/17 1:00 ET At Minnesota -3 Dallas
1/17 4:40 ET At San Diego -7 NY Jets

My picks would be Arizona, Indy, Dallas and San Diego.
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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 8:51 pm  
ST_CONROY wrote:
I was going to ask the same about the spreads.

In the games tonight i'm taking New Orleans. They've been sputtering but they still have probably the best overall offence in the NFL. The defence is pretty decent and i just don't see the Cards being that good two weeks in a row.

I'll take the Ravens in the other game. The Ravens match up excellently againts Indy IMO. They have an excellent running game to take down the clock and keep it away from Manning. They are a good defence at confusing Manning (as much as posssible) and keeping him on his toes. If Flacco plays well then they will win.



Will be interesting to see how the Ravens cope if they have to rely on Flacco to win the game for them. The guy only completed 4 passes last week and was playing injured from what I heard. I did predict Arizona above but that was just for the spreads, I think whichever team wins is going to win marginally but I'm looking forward to watching that game.
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Re: NFL Chat 2 : Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:08 pm  
Bolded and underlined.

1/16 4:30 ET At New Orleans -7 Arizona
1/16 8:15 ET At Indianapolis -6.5 Baltimore
1/17 1:00 ET At Minnesota -3 Dallas
1/17 4:40 ET At San Diego -7 NY Jets
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