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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:58 am  
I think that on Paper the squad at the start of the 2010 season was the best we have had, I really do think that team could have gone places. It was such a shame that arguably the 3 best players left before we even got to May for a variety of reasons.
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:40 am  
That 2004 squad really gave us some good stuff to watch. If there's one game I enjoy repeatedly watching its the play off win at Hull. Was it three of our guys Kirkpatrick sin-binned early doors? Even young Mark Field and Rob Spicer looked the part and pulled their weight.
Then so near in the next game at Wigan.

Wonder how Field compares with Jowitt? McNally flogged him to death in a much weaker side the following season.
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:02 pm  
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That 2004 squad really gave us some good stuff to watch. If there's one game I enjoy repeatedly watching its the play off win at Hull. Was it three of our guys Kirkpatrick sin-binned early doors? Even young Mark Field and Rob Spicer looked the part and pulled their weight.
Then so near in the next game at Wigan.

Wonder how Field compares with Jowitt? McNally flogged him to death in a much weaker side the following season.


Big difference is that Jowitt is a F/B and wants to play there. Field was a Centre and was always uncomfortable in the F/B roll. What happened to Field was really sad, should of had a much long career were it not for one mans pig headed attitude.
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:46 pm  
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Touch unfair on the pack which clearly isn't complete. Clearly Allgood is on his way unless something really unexpected happens and he is a big unit also Arona and Ashurst are fine players. I'd say the pack is already bigger and stronger than last year though Simon needs replacing.

For me the only real loss is Moore who I can't see us replacing with anyone near as good. I also thing both Wood and Finn are halfbacks who can play as hookers which is ok but not ideal.

What really matter is that the final line up develops a team spirit and a understanding and a bit of ticker and we won't know that until we are three or four games into the season. This is why I tend to take expert pre season predictions with a pinch of salt.


Maybe a little unfair on the pack, but we were well beaten there a few times last year. I remain to be convinced by Allgood myself, but obviously hoping to be wrong.

None of the pack are bad players,but I just think it's a weak spot compared to the rest of the team. Fifita has a lot on his shoulders at the moment.
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 3:26 pm  
Squad coming together well 1 to 5 strong pack in general looking ok lets hope Danny has more luck on the injury front
The big problem for me is 1/ Hooker if we lose Moore and 2/ half back Finn for me has a rugby brain and is an excellent kicker but lacks the pace to play in SL Powell saw that and let him go
Miller up to now is far too inconsistent Wood will provide excellent cover at 7 or 9 I see miller and Williams starting but ideally we are lacking a quality half back problem being not many about
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:53 pm  
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Although I totally agree that the 2004 team was the best SL team (imo the best I've seen in 30 years of supporting) I don't however agree about Domic and Solomona who show more than any other signings we've ever made what a gamble it can be. I have no reason to not believe that for example Fifita wont find his inner Andrew or that Johnstone won't move on to being the most lethal winger in the game which IMHO would make them just as special as Domic and even Solomona all be it in different ways.

Solomona was a rising star 18 month previous to joining us then his form dipped dramatically and he was playing reserve grade by late 2003. The main reason we got him was because everyone else had forgotten about him. Though it raised eyebrows most considered him a maverick and a big risk.

Domic was considered a bit of a sick note when he left Warrington and was considered an OK signing at best.

Along with a virtualy unknown JD these signings tranformed what was mainly the 2003 team who were basically a poor (2nd from bottom) outfit into a machine. Added to this we had a one season wonder coach as opposed to a one season wonder team which IMO is why we never kicked on.

The 2004 team wasn't just great to watch it gives you hope as to just how quickly things can change for the better and the worse which isn't so good. Wakefield are like a number of SL teams, it wouldn't take much to turn it around. Despite Belly's Cas obsession they are exactly the same only difference is that they risk going the other way now. Good teams at clubs like ours are very short lived and soon get picked over if the momentumn starts to fade even momentarily.

Sam Williams, Catton-Brown, Hirst, Woods etc may all turn out to be inspired but they may not and the 2004 team proves that. Anyone who was around in 2004 and states that they knew that would be a great team is a liar, we all expected another relegation battle. So now we do the only thing as fans we can do, support and encourage the lads and cross our fingers. :PRAY:


I generally know better than to pick you up on stuff, but you're wrong here. There was some genuine excitement about the 2004 side and I, for one, was over the moon at signing Domic (ask Eric Timmons), whilst I knew little of Solomona other than getting wrapped up in the soundings of people like yourself who had seen him play.

I would also agree that 2010 beckoned to be a great year and it was so frustrating the way it dwindled.

2017 looks well, but it won't be all that if we can't sort the remaining issues in the squad, including the Hooking role. The halves, three quarters and generally the back row are sorted and there is much to look forward to, but we are short of numbers in the front row in this modern era where 20 games is a good return. Just a couple more players could really get us something to rave about though!
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:50 pm  
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I generally know better than to pick you up on stuff, but you're wrong here. There was some genuine excitement about the 2004 side and I, for one, was over the moon at signing Domic (ask Eric Timmons), whilst I knew little of Solomona other than getting wrapped up in the soundings of people like yourself who had seen him play.

I would also agree that 2010 beckoned to be a great year and it was so frustrating the way it dwindled.

2017 looks well, but it won't be all that if we can't sort the remaining issues in the squad, including the Hooking role. The halves, three quarters and generally the back row are sorted and there is much to look forward to, but we are short of numbers in the front row in this modern era where 20 games is a good return. Just a couple more players could really get us something to rave about though!


There may well have been some excitement but I don't think anyone was expecting a genuine top 6 team that came within inches of winning two play off games that's the point.

This team is a team that could do similar or the opposite - with clubs like us it's so hard to predict but at least thanks to the 2004 team we at least know it's possible.
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:51 pm  
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I generally know better than to pick you up on stuff, but you're wrong here. There was some genuine excitement about the 2004 side and I, for one, was over the moon at signing Domic (ask Eric Timmons), whilst I knew little of Solomona other than getting wrapped up in the soundings of people like yourself who had seen him play.

I would also agree that 2010 beckoned to be a great year and it was so frustrating the way it dwindled.

2017 looks well, but it won't be all that if we can't sort the remaining issues in the squad, including the Hooking role. The halves, three quarters and generally the back row are sorted and there is much to look forward to, but we are short of numbers in the front row in this modern era where 20 games is a good return. Just a couple more players could really get us something to rave about though!


There may well have been some excitement but I don't think anyone was expecting a genuine top 6 team that came within inches of winning two play off games that's the point.

This team is a team that could do similar or the opposite - with clubs like us it's so hard to predict but at least thanks to the 2004 team we at least know it's possible.
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:21 pm  
Think the 2004 team was the fittest we've had in super league. Geoff evans was the conditioner if im right. We would be outlasting teams and running full tilt in the last half hour. Think a big reason it went downhill in 2005 was Evans left and was replaced with a body builder (Trypass), that and the Ellis saga and Julien oneil made for a crap season. Imagine if wed of kicked on eh
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Re: "Best Wakefield squad of Super League era" : Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:32 pm  
vastman wrote:
There may well have been some excitement but I don't think anyone was expecting a genuine top 6 team that came within inches of winning two play off games that's the point.

This team is a team that could do similar or the opposite - with clubs like us it's so hard to predict but at least thanks to the 2004 team we at least know it's possible.


Okay okay I got it first time! :lol:

Fair comments though!
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