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Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:57 am  

Leeds had plenty of penalties against them.
I didn't see a penalty against us that wasn't valid

Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:25 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

I can tell you what Mr Kendal told the players was not in relation to the "actual" rules being applied, but his interpretation of the "inference of tapping the ball back" and he only applied this to one team, whereas both teams were playing it similarly. Either tap the ball back with foot or penalty, no interpretation or "inference" required

If everyone just plays the ball correctly then they won't need to worry about the referee. Players were taught that from a young age so there's no excuse.

Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 12:25 pm  

I believe there is one ambiguity and that is make an attempt to play the ball with your foot. It is this that can be open to a referee’s interpretation and thereby confusing for supporters. The penalties we gave away were due to the player rolling the ball back and just making a stride forward.

Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 1:55 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

I believe there is one ambiguity and that is make an attempt to play the ball with your foot. It is this that can be open to a referee’s interpretation and thereby confusing for supporters. The penalties we gave away were due to the player rolling the ball back and just making a stride forward.

That is exactly my point, he spoke to the players and told them he was looking for them to at least infer that they are trying to tap the ball, which is open for interpretation, either tap it or penalty, don’t allow one team to better “fake” the play of the ball than the other team, apply the rules as they should be and not left to refs to make judgement calls, much like the 6 again rule that needs scrapping.

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Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:25 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

That is exactly my point, he spoke to the players and told them he was looking for them to at least infer that they are trying to tap the ball, which is open for interpretation, either tap it or penalty, don’t allow one team to better “fake” the play of the ball than the other team, apply the rules as they should be and not left to refs to make judgement calls, much like the 6 again rule that needs scrapping.

But that's not how it works. To decide whether a player grazed the ball will take ages on video.
The refs have to make a call at speed.
All players have to do is aim at the ball before it rolls back. They can't step over in one movement.

It's not that hard to do.

Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 3:53 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

That is exactly my point, he spoke to the players and told them he was looking for them to at least infer that they are trying to tap the ball, which is open for interpretation, either tap it or penalty, don’t allow one team to better “fake” the play of the ball than the other team, apply the rules as they should be and not left to refs to make judgement calls, much like the 6 again rule that needs scrapping.

One of the two worst rules in RL - the other being golden point.

Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:34 pm  

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But that's not how it works. To decide whether a player grazed the ball will take ages on video.
The refs have to make a call at speed.
All players have to do is aim at the ball before it rolls back. They can't step over in one movement.

It's not that hard to do.

You’ve not read what I’ve type and you also aren’t interpreting the rule correctly (much like mr Kendal yesterday) the rule is that the ball must be played backwards by the foot, not “look like you’re attempting to play it backwards and and tap it but just hovver your foot above it within a couple of centimeters” either play it backwards with your foot or penalty, if you’re not sure then no penalty, but as you say how can they tell at that moment in time, makes a mockery of it all.

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Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:05 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

You’ve not read what I’ve type and you also aren’t interpreting the rule correctly (much like mr Kendal yesterday) the rule is that the ball must be played backwards by the foot, not “look like you’re attempting to play it backwards and and tap it but just hovver your foot above it within a couple of centimeters” either play it backwards with your foot or penalty, if you’re not sure then no penalty, but as you say how can they tell at that moment in time, makes a mockery of it all.

Ok fair point.
But that has been the rule forever.

In the 60s they would drop it on the floor and kick it back. Over time that interpretation has changed but the rule hasn't.
Why is placing it on the floor and rolling it back while nudging it with your foot any less playing it with your foot.

I'm OK with less penalties around the play the ball. I'd rather they just said you have to try, and forgive a miss and penalise if they don't even try.
To be honest I'd also let little fumbles go too before they actually pick it up.
I'd rather watch rugby than silly penalties that make no difference to the game.

Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:18 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

That is exactly my point, he spoke to the players and told them he was looking for them to at least infer that they are trying to tap the ball, which is open for interpretation, either tap it or penalty, don’t allow one team to better “fake” the play of the ball than the other team, apply the rules as they should be and not left to refs to make judgement calls, much like the 6 again rule that needs scrapping.

No player yesterday played or got near it when playing the ball .Most of the time Leeds players moved there foot above the ball and made a backward motion but we're no were near the ball with there foot. Wakefield players took a step forward and no attempt to play the ball

Re: Boxing Day : Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:01 pm  

Is the game going to go on our youtube site to watch seen as TrinityTv has been stopped?