Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:12 pm  

PopTart wrote:

It specifically says you have to have 2,000 'permanent' seats and they have to be agreed by stadium advisory group.

Not sure what they have in their stand but I think its 1500.
They lose a whole point if they don't get that. Which makes me wonder how their score is as high as it is.

Performance – 3.09.

Fandom – 4.20.

Finance – 3.05

Community – 1.25

Stadium – 1.32

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Oct 27, 2023 1:20 pm  

PopTart wrote:

It specifically says you have to have 2,000 'permanent' seats and they have to be agreed by stadium advisory group.

Not sure what they have in their stand but I think its 1500.
They lose a whole point if they don't get that. Which makes me wonder how their score is as high as it is.

So it looks like after they install the directors seats in the main stand there will be a shortfall, which will be made up by installing seats in their princess street stand..and will have to get through planning and look something like… to get the approval of the advisory board…

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:05 pm  

dboy wrote: Their build isn't even properly funded due to the Environment Agencies objection and the cost of meeting their demands. The earliest planning permission could go in is January, it seems, and we all know how that process isn't straight forward. Then the time taken to get contracts in place etc...then timing builds to have the least affect on the on-going business... Cas won't be scoring improved IMG stadium points for at least 3 years. Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update

dboy wrote: Their build isn't even properly funded due to the Environment Agencies objection and the cost of meeting their demands. The earliest planning permission could go in is January, it seems, and we all know how that process isn't straight forward. Then the time taken to get contracts in place etc...then timing builds to have the least affect on the on-going business... Cas won't be scoring improved IMG stadium points for at least 3 years. Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:40 pm  

phe13 wrote: Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update That statement is a smokescreen, the objection that's been lifted isn't the EA one on the flood risk assessment(well lack of one) on Weldon road, it relates to the warehousing and distribution development at Glasshoughton that will fund the stadium re-vamp, planning permission still has to be approved on both sites and currently the EA's objection still stands and although there is a letter on the planning portal from the developer, but the objection from the EA still remains

phe13 wrote: Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update That statement is a smokescreen, the objection that's been lifted isn't the EA one on the flood risk assessment(well lack of one) on Weldon road, it relates to the warehousing and distribution development at Glasshoughton that will fund the stadium re-vamp, planning permission still has to be approved on both sites and currently the EA's objection still stands and although there is a letter on the planning portal from the developer, but the objection from the EA still remains

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:28 pm  

phe13 wrote: Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update Because that's not the Cas development - it's Axiom's J32 development.

phe13 wrote: Doesn't mention Environment Agencies here: https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/ca ... ive-update Because that's not the Cas development - it's Axiom's J32 development.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:32 pm  

dboy wrote:

Because that's not the Cas development - it's Axiom's J32 development.

Agreed, but the statement says:

'As these highways matters were the last major issues which needed agreement on the Axiom scheme, the planning applications could be decided in the coming weeks, with Wakefield Council’s confirmation of a planning committee date hoped for as soon as possible.'

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:40 pm  

phe13 wrote:

Agreed, but the statement says:

'As these highways matters were the last major issues which needed agreement on the Axiom scheme, the planning applications could be decided in the coming weeks, with Wakefield Council’s confirmation of a planning committee date hoped for as soon as possible.'

The earliest the planning can be heard is January, the EA objection still stands, the letter sent to the planning department attempting to address the flood risk assessment, still leaves the objection as it doesn’t address the issues the EA have asked to be addressed, the proposed solution to the flood risk assessment is for them to lower the level of the training pitch, rather than raising the level of everything that the EA says needs to be done.
The objection that has been dropped is by the highways agency and related to access to the proposed new development at glasshoughton

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:43 pm  

It's bunkum.

The Axiom plan has no statutory body objections now, it seems, so they could submit it for consideration - still not guaranteed to pass. January would be the very earliest, if they were lucky, that it could be slated to be heard.

The Wheldon Road development has no chance of being submitted for hearing - it's currently guaranteed to fail.

Here's the rub - WMDC are unlikely to pass the Axiom dev, without the WR dev in tandem.

To do so would mean the Axiom J32 dev is disassociated from their WR funding commitment and Axiom won't sign a S106 until PP is given for J32.

Catch 22 until the WR dev is ready to go planning hearing. And it's not.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 8:28 pm  

And even if/when the 2 linked developments ever get PP, Axiom won't be releasing the £12m for the S106 UNTIL they've sold the requisite number of units at J32.

They would be giving their own dosh away before they'd even earned a penny out of J32.

J32 has to generate well in excess of the £12m before the S106 gets serviced.

It's exactly what happened with NewCold - until Mackie had made his money, we didn't see a bean.

Re: cas redevelpment goes to plan B : Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:49 pm  

dboy wrote:

And even if/when the 2 linked developments ever get PP, Axiom won't be releasing the £12m for the S106 UNTIL they've sold the requisite number of units at J32.

They would be giving their own dosh away before they'd even earned a penny out of J32.

J32 has to generate well in excess of the £12m before the S106 gets serviced.

It's exactly what happened with NewCold - until Mackie had made his money, we didn't see a bean.

That’s not accurate, the S106 clearly states that building can’t commence on the J32 site until after the £12m has been released to castleford, they may not release the monies until after they have pre-construction sales confirmed but they don’t need to sell the units first, they have to release the money first, if they do sell them, that’s a benefit to Axiom