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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:05 am  
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Not 5 out of every 6 though eh? We can skirt around the issue as much as you like but the guy doesn't like us. IMHO the bloke has a vendetta against us.


Well actually, some years we would have yes.
2015 we won 3 out of 23. You can blame Child all you like but the stats do not show a problem with the ref, only the team.
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:23 am  
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So using your evidence then we really need to have James child refereeing is every week ? I ve taken a more representative data segment interviewing 50 of my rugby watching mates, this was done over a short period of time across a number of clubs , guess what 90 percent agreed he was crap !


Not at all. From the data available, it appears clear that who the referee is has no impact on the result of the game. It really is irrelevant, it only matters how the team play.

Even if we accept your and your friends' opinion that he is crap, he is just as crap for both teams and this has no bearing on the result.

If you really believe an official is corrupt, put it in writing so that you can get your day in court.

#NoRefNoGame.

When you play sport, as soon as you enter the field of play you agree to abide by the rules. You also agree to comply with the decisions of the appointed arbiter of those rules: the referee.

As fans, we also need to learn to accept the decisions of the referee. Sometimes it goes for us, sometimes against.

Improving the quality of officiating is a separate issue and one for the ruling body.
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:12 am  
I think some have taken this too far, time to move on I think
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:59 am  
Yep, have to agree EW, …...however, plaudits to Coco for taking the time to "put some meat on the bone" and correct the conspiracy theorists :thumb:
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:07 pm  
coco the fullback wrote:
Improving the quality of officiating is a separate issue and one for the ruling body.


I think this is the crux of it - and a very different problem to the perception that a particular referee is deliberately biased against a particular team, which is dumb to begin with, and which you've debunked pretty conclusively; and kudos to you for introducing the scientific method to RL fans!

As to the quality issue - I think it's a difficult and rather circular problem, that rests primarily with the RFL and to some extent, with supporters, coaches and players. The RFL have to bear the main responsibility for the lack of professional officials - it's obviously not a sufficiently attractive career path for enough people to meet the demand - and from what I understand, they are not very well supported, and are bombarded with rule changes, interpretation changes and new directives so regularly, that they sometimes don't know how to officiate in each circumstance.

The supporters, coaches and players also have to bear some responsibility for that, because we collectively create a hostile environment for match officials, by questioning their integrity, honesty and private lives on a regular basis, often in public and often to cover our own shortcomings, or those of our team or teammates - which in turn makes it an even less attractive career path. Who wants to go through the RFL's pretty awful process of becoming a ref, only to spend every weekend being yelled at, called a w@nker and having your integrity and competence called into question by untrained pillocks with a Sky camera in their face?

I don't know what the answer is - but convincing yourself that James Child is waging a deliberate campaign against WT is not it.
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:34 pm  
coco the fullback wrote:
Not at all. From the data available, it appears clear that who the referee is has no impact on the result of the game. It really is irrelevant, it only matters how the team play.

Even if we accept your and your friends' opinion that he is crap, he is just as crap for both teams and this has no bearing on the result.

If you really believe an official is corrupt, put it in writing so that you can get your day in court.

#NoRefNoGame.

When you play sport, as soon as you enter the field of play you agree to abide by the rules. You also agree to comply with the decisions of the appointed arbiter of those rules: the referee.

As fans, we also need to learn to accept the decisions of the referee. Sometimes it goes for us, sometimes against.

Improving the quality of officiating is a separate issue and one for the ruling body.


You may have gone to a lot of effort on the stats but dont go putting words in my mouth - at no point have I said that the referee is corrupt - so wash your mouth out with soap and discontinue your offensive statements
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:37 pm  
`The only official have ever said is corrupt was a certain referee that was involved in a wigan home game and if anyone thinks other then they clearly weren't at the game
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:12 pm  
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`The only official have ever said is corrupt was a certain referee that was involved in a wigan home game and if anyone thinks other then they clearly weren't at the game

Give me Child every time over The inept Hallibert and that Aussie get Klein, he certainly had a dislike for our club.
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Re: Match officials : Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:27 pm  
The points been well made now and the stats debunked on more than one occasion.
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