Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:17 pm  

But to answer the original question, yes we are seeing the benefits of franchising and although I know many on here don't like it and want P+R back, we are seeing what stability can bring.

More young players are being brought through, clubs are starting to take notice of the areas they need to improve, whether it be stadia, youth development, marketing.

It makes clubs really look at themselves and allows them the freedom to invest. Although Wakey have had their recent problems, I have no doubt that over the course of the next three years, whether it be SL or Championship, they'll be a much stronger side than they were 5 years ago.

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:25 pm  

Big lads mate wrote:

I'm a hudds town fan and have been for years,if it wasn't for town giants would have gone under as davey nearly ruined the football to keep rugby afloat.Franchise is soley about money and nothing else,don't let anybody kid you.

By ruining Town, do you mean getting them outta administration and saving them?

Putting them in a decent position before selling out to Dean Hoyle.

Boths clubs were/are run from 2 separate companies so im not sure how either clubs finances could have ruined the other, i wish he aint come in and bailed you out, you'd have something to bitch about then.

As for the Sluggers OP, its beginning to work, ourselves for instance can plan a few years in advance and can blood the youngsters now,(Jermaine,Leroy,Michael etc) whereas in the past it would probably have been an aussie coming in, you could argue Wire have kicked on from having the HJ built, which has increased finances/crowds for them giving them better players, Saints will benefit enormously from their new stadium financially.

Without franchising would saints and salford to an extent even be considering new stadia.

Goes without saying having a Davy/Moran certainly helps but ultimately they are trying to get their clubs to break even annually without having to dip into their own pockets.

Id go as far as to say a stadium for yourselves could easily double your attendances which can be only good for revenue, supporter base, without franchising, would you even have considered moving?

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:54 pm  

Fully wrote:

Cas have had a 'string' of easy games?

If they're "easy" games then why didn't we finish top eight last season with only losses against Wigan, Wire, Saints and Leeds?

No game in SL is easy (and to think so is absolutely bloody ridiculous) and we lost to Hull KR twice, Hull once, Bradford once last season.

I think you discounted us purely out of spite (or jealousy), whichever, and whether you like it or not, we are where we are because we've played well and deserve to be there.

Easy for a team like Wigan, perhaps. For a team like Cas, they're big games that we need to win to push on and progress.

I didn't say they were easy. I said you've had no tough fixtures, apart from Huddersfield. There's a difference. For instance, there's a fair chance you'll win the next three games, and ought to win at least two of them, but you'll probably lose at least four of the following six.

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:11 pm  

Same difference.

I'm sorry but I'd say Hull KR, Huddersfield, Bradford and Hull ARE all tough games, given the fact that all of them have the ability to spend the salary cap, have the ability to build bigger squads and we don't.

There's a fair chance of that yes, but even in that instance, on the basis we we win 5 out of the next 9 that's still 11 wins, 5 losses = 22 points.

That's the same as last year with another 10 games to play.

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 1:44 pm  

Fully wrote:

Same difference.

I'm sorry but I'd say Hull KR, Huddersfield, Bradford and Hull ARE all tough games, given the fact that all of them have the ability to spend the salary cap, have the ability to build bigger squads and we don't.

There's a fair chance of that yes, but even in that instance, on the basis we we win 5 out of the next 9 that's still 11 wins, 5 losses = 22 points.

That's the same as last year with another 10 games to play.

And I would reckon 5 out of the following ten would be in your favour. On last years table, that would have put you at 6th, although the stuttering form of some of the bigger clubs might get you higher. However, I haven't factored a slump into that, most clubs have them, and the big clubs with new coaches will have found their feet by then. Think you might scrape the top eight.

If you do it on the pitch, fair play to you. Don't begrudge a winning team a win. That's what the game is all about.

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:00 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

And I would reckon 5 out of the following ten would be in your favour. On last years table, that would have put you at 6th, although the stuttering form of some of the bigger clubs might get you higher. However, I haven't factored a slump into that, most clubs have them, and the big clubs with new coaches will have found their feet by then. Think you might scrape the top eight.

If you do it on the pitch, fair play to you. Don't begrudge a winning team a win. That's what the game is all about.

Don't get me wrong, I think we are by far surpassing expectations and doing better than most people expected. Similarly, I don't expect it to last, which is why taking it one game at a time is all important. I just think that by saying we've not had any 'hard games bar Huddersfield' is disrespectful of other SL Clubs.

Let's face it, we all have to play each other at some point and regardless of order, they're all there to be won. Just so happens that they fell in one line and gives us a good chance of building some confidence and momentum. I think those aspects combined with a bit of luck on the injury front is the reason we are doing so well.

Easter, when we play you guys, Leeds, Saints and Wire (I think?) will be the key period of seeing where we are at and if we can come out unscathed I remain optimistic we'll do OK for rest of the season.

Aside from that, and to avoid turning it into a Cas thread, I've been mightily impressed with the way that you guys are performing and I'm still absolutely bricking it (even now) with the fact that I believe you will come to Cas in two weeks time and do what you do best - turning us over.

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:04 pm  

Fully wrote:

I believe you will come to Cas in two weeks time and do what you do best - turning us over.

think it will be an alright game if we don't have you-know-who as the ref

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:08 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

It was more than a pleasure. And I wouldn't get too carried away. You have had a string of very winnable games. Granted, you had to win them, but you've only had one tough game, and that was at home. You are going to hit a glut of really tough games and slide down the table pretty quickly. You'll finish above us, but at least it will remove that unbearable smugness knocking around Cas at the moment.

I'm not sure what I think about franchising sometimes. For me, it is one up, one down, but then sometimes I wonder whether the RFL are right, and clubs do need some stability to grow. The issue is then whether expansion clubs deserve the special breaks when no one goes to watch them. But then I think of Widnes, who I think of as a top flight club, but who have done nothing on the pitch since they went down to justify coming up.

Who's getting carried away?just enjoying the on field product at the moment,will it carry on? who knows? you can't say for certain,neither can I,your condescending remarks show you up for what you are.

Re: Franchising : Sat Apr 09, 2011 10:10 pm  

and here it goes

Re: Franchising : Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:44 am  

for whats its worth i think cas are a different outfit with danny orr there now, he seems to have freed rangi chase to control things. pack aint too bad now and good to see local talent comming thru, so as much as it pains me to say good on them, i hope we both in super league next year i love the derby matches esp good friday ones, long may they continue