Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:00 am  

wwildcat48 wrote:

do the sums mate, Jimmy Davey, Spiers and annekin wont get a look in under agar FACT. do they play reserves all season ? they would be better off going on DR's because otherwise there development will come to a halt. I doubt Agar gives a toss about them to be honest as leaving them behind on the training camp probably confirmed that, but I am sure over the season people will realise this is how he rolls.
Matt James has been one of the better forwards in pre season, head and shoulders above Raleigh, so why on earth would he be loaned out when there is a shortage now?
Agar is that desperate to play his Giants cast off's that he took in order to get rid of another one he had 'personal' issues' with in Tommy Lee.
And no Matt has not been in any trouble whatsoever so read into it what you want.

Think your been a bit harsh on Agar, you have to respect his professional opinion and judge him on his results. Even if Davey, Spiers and co go on duel reg its not to say (certainly not a FACT) that they won't be back playing first team rugby in a few months. It's safe to say that most SL clubs will use at least 25 players over the season if you look at our squad it's clear that the mentioned players won't be in the first 17 but would defiantly be in first 25. I wouldn't be surprised if the mentioned players managed 10 to 15 first team games this season, which would be right for players that are just breaking into the first team.

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 11:36 am  

wwildcat48 wrote:

do the sums mate, Jimmy Davey, Spiers and annekin wont get a look in under agar FACT. do they play reserves all season ? they would be better off going on DR's because otherwise there development will come to a halt. I doubt Agar gives a toss about them to be honest as leaving them behind on the training camp probably confirmed that, but I am sure over the season people will realise this is how he rolls.
Matt James has been one of the better forwards in pre season, head and shoulders above Raleigh, so why on earth would he be loaned out when there is a shortage now?
Agar is that desperate to play his Giants cast off's that he took in order to get rid of another one he had 'personal' issues' with in Tommy Lee.
And no Matt has not been in any trouble whatsoever so read into it what you want.

i'd think most of them you mention would get a chance through the season. i'd agree with a lot of what you say as for tommy lee that was a bit different , goes back a bit but tommy is happy at hudds anyway.as for mattie it was always clear from the off that richard agar did not have him in his plans . mattie was told as much. don't think he is a bad player. think he will go alright with a bit of time. the main thing is he should spend less time talking to people about going to play at leeds and wakefield being a stepping stone. doesn't help his cause.

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:02 pm  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

You seem to be in the knowledge here is it first hand or second hand or chinese whispers?

Out of interest then who would you have taken to France with the limited places places available as coach?

I dont base my comments on whispers or rumours i see on here.
where did you get the theory of limited places mate ? A first team squad is a squad end of. Did Leeds or other clubs leave ANY of their FIRST TEAM SQUAD behind....? Was there only limited seats available on the flights ? No
Apparently Catalans funded this and if this is true then couldnt the club pay for the extra few rather than demoralising them ? even if the club paid would you leave 3 or 4 out ?

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:47 pm  

Am i missing something here ? the guys gone on loan for less than a calendar month !! why all the hysteria and conspiracy theories ? it was mentioned weeks ago that we would be doing business with Fax,quite why we should be doing business with there whingebag of a director is a different matter,but I digress.Obviously they have a short term prop issue and we are supplying the solution,nothing sinister or strange about it as far as i can see,but some peoples imaginations and or willingness to knock Agar before the season even starts get the better of them.For christ's sake try looking on the brightside for once,it doesn't hurt and cost's nowt.

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 12:58 pm  

frogcat wrote:

i'd think most of them you mention would get a chance through the season. i'd agree with a lot of what you say as for tommy lee that was a bit different , goes back a bit but tommy is happy at hudds anyway.as for mattie it was always clear from the off that richard agar did not have him in his plans . mattie was told as much. don't think he is a bad player. think he will go alright with a bit of time. the main thing is he should spend less time talking to people about going to play at leeds and wakefield being a stepping stone. doesn't help his cause.

There maybe some truth in that as it was Brian McDermott and Carl chapman that got him to sign for bulls from Eastmoor, Maybe Brian as plans for him, only if it is true then we should let him go now, I only want players that are going to give 100% for the Red/White and Blue....

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:01 pm  

wwildcat48 wrote:

I dont base my comments on whispers or rumours i see on here.
where did you get the theory of limited places mate ? A first team squad is a squad end of. Did Leeds or other clubs leave ANY of their FIRST TEAM SQUAD behind....? Was there only limited seats available on the flights ? No
Apparently Catalans funded this and if this is true then couldnt the club pay for the extra few rather than demoralising them ? even if the club paid would you leave 3 or 4 out ?

Apparently they did and it was limited to a certain number 30 I believe. Get over it there will be 17 playing on Friday night that leaves around 13 out of the team I dont get your point

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:06 pm  

wwildcat48 wrote:

Matt James has been one of the better forwards in pre season, head and shoulders above Raleigh, so why on earth would he be loaned out when there is a shortage now?

sure he has. With the nick name of Feka and being loaned out, its obvious he is the wildcats go to forward. The fact is that Andy is a seasoned pro who is one of the top forwards in all testing and has been asked to train the youngsters in wrestling as the wakey kids have had little or no coaching in it and coming from the Giants he knows a fair bit. The is no need for you to have an apoplectic rant when someone under 25 goes on loan.

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:14 pm  

ry21 wrote:

From what i can gather, RA rates Matty quite highly and has been impressed with his attitude and work ethic in training, just like the other coaching staff have been aswell. I'm not his biggest fan off the field (yes i know him) but from what i've seen of him so far, he get's my backing 100% whilst wearing the Red, White and Blue. If someting has happened off the field it would appear that it has happened between Saturday and this being announced, pretty quick turnaround and highly unlikely IMO. I think some people should give the guy a break and give him chance to develop. After all he's still relatively young for a prop and hasn't been in a full time environment very long.

He needs to keep his fat mouth shut, first he was slating barrow on twitter and now it's agar on twitter. He is trouble and thinks he is better than he actually is. Arrogance gets a player no where. Ask yourself why he has had so many clubs since being shown the door at bulls!!

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:29 pm  

Bullsfab! wrote:

He needs to keep his fat mouth shut, first he was slating barrow on twitter and now it's agar on twitter. He is trouble and thinks he is better than he actually is. Arrogance gets a player no where. Ask yourself why he has had so many clubs since being shown the door at bulls!!

I know exactly what he's like thank you and not just as a supporter of a rugby club. I didn't defend anything he had done just that i thought it unlikely. If as you say he has been slating Agar on Twitter, then i'm sure it will be dealt with in an appropriate manner. Me, you, or anyone slating him on a public forum isn't going to make the situation any better.

Re: Another Prop down : Sat Jan 28, 2012 3:29 pm  

Mable_Syrup wrote:

:lol: sure he has. With the nick name of Feka and being loaned out, its obvious he is the wildcats go to forward. The fact is that Andy is a seasoned pro who is one of the top forwards in all testing and has been asked to train the youngsters in wrestling as the wakey kids have had little or no coaching in it and coming from the Giants he knows a fair bit. The is no need for you to have an apoplectic rant when someone under 25 goes on loan.

That one made me laugh......
If he is good at wrestling priase the lord ! let start a wrestling club.
He always was a steady eddie in his prime and he isnt a prop and if he stays injury free, a big if based on so far, he will hardly crack any pots and if you believe he has been better than James up to press you need to see a shrink.