Re: Player stats : Thu May 16, 2024 6:54 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Because you are not showing the stats on the link I was referring to.

Tbh I didn't see they'd put the earlier games we played up first, I initially could only see the 8 games and later they added the last 2 we've just recently played.

Almost unfair to bring it up but Siddle and Newcastle got steamrolled by our pack, Atoni made 221 meters against Siddle and 193 against Newcastle, Cozza made 251 against Newcastle, and Uele 166 and 155, feel sort of guilty mentioning it against those guys.

Re: Player stats : Thu May 16, 2024 7:11 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

Those stats are the last 6 games including the 2 on the link, if you want to talk about the 2 games on the link only then let's talk about the last game, or are you just ignoring the last game and picking the one single game where he is up there?

Bradford game

Bowden

Carries - 7
Metres - 71
Tackles - 11

Uele

Carries 16
Metres 148
Tackles 22

Rodwell

Carries 16
Metres 134
Tackles 25

Again, how is he easily the highest work rate?

Looking at just the last game against Bradford, both the starting props were down on what they'd normally do, Atoni only made 54 meters in his 9 carries and a little better in tackles at 20 but not his usual standard. It was something I could have guessed from just watching the game though that our starting props didn't seem as effective as our interchange. Maybe it's because Bradford's interchange wasn't as good as their starting middles. At this level, all the teams have generally struggled with our continued pressure down the middle, there's just nowhere to hide. One pair comes off then another pair come on, with no weak links.

Re: Player stats : Thu May 16, 2024 7:16 pm  

Shifty Cat wrote:

Looking at just the last game against Bradford, both the starting props were down on what they'd normally do, Atoni only made 54 meters in his 9 carries and a little better in tackles at 20 but not his usual standard. It was something I could have guessed from just watching the game though that our starting props didn't seem as effective as our interchange. Maybe it's because Bradford's interchange wasn't as good as their starting middles. At this level, all the teams have generally struggled with our continued pressure down the middle, there's just nowhere to hide. One pair comes off then another pair come on, with no weak links.

Bang on Shifty, exactly why it's so hard to judge. On paper it'd be clear to see who we'd be running with should we see a return to Super League but it's not all so easy.

Bowden comes with 12 years worth of experience, got to count for something.

[PopTart]

Re: Player stats : Thu May 16, 2024 10:14 pm  

TimmySmith wrote:

Bang on Shifty, exactly why it's so hard to judge. On paper it'd be clear to see who we'd be running with should we see a return to Super League but it's not all so easy.

Bowden comes with 12 years worth of experience, got to count for something.

Watch how many times we score after a Bowden setup drive.
Different jobs for different props.
I like all our 'middles' but I just wanted to recognise his contribution as his sometimes goes unnoticed.

Re: Player stats : Fri May 17, 2024 6:48 am  

PopTart wrote:

Watch how many times we score after a Biwden setup drive.
Different jobs for different props.
I like all our 'middles' but I just wanted to recognise his contribution as his sometimes goes unnoticed.

I don’t necessarily disagree with you Poptart, it’s that pesky scoundrel Homme Vaste who took his shot at you last night.

It’ll sure be interesting watching to see if what you’ve said is true, as you say certain things aren’t always deemed as having the same impact in terms of contribution. If Bowden is putting us on the front foot towards the oppositions line then IMO that’s just as important as contributing to some of the hard yards near our line.

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Re: Player stats : Fri May 17, 2024 8:23 am  

It may well be that someone like Atoni us taking a drive to score and if he doesn't leaves us on the line which takes another setup play to make room.
Whereas Bowden is specifically taking a drive to set up the position
But I've noticed it in a few games now so it stands out like when you get a new red car.

Re: Player stats : Fri May 17, 2024 8:59 am  

PopTart wrote:

It may well be that someone like Atoni us taking a drive to score and if he doesn't leaves us on the line which takes another setup play to make room.
Whereas Bowden is specifically taking a drive to set up the position
But I've noticed it in a few games now so it stands out like when you get a new red car.

Bowden doesn’t take the drives before try’s on the next play. Quite the opposite in that it’s very regularly Uele and Rodwell who get to their front quick and get quick plays to set up the positions. I’m not sure Atoni and Bowden in their first stint have the same style but I also think their job is slightly different in that they’re partly there to grind down the opposition starting forwards and drain the tank ready for the quicker props in Uele and Rodwell. It works and they all play equal part as a pack.

Bowden makes hardly any errors too and plays a very tidy game.

Re: Player stats : Fri May 17, 2024 9:15 am  

All the pack function as a unit, it's not reasonable to single one out as 'better' or 'worse'. Atoni and Uele are massive units who wrestle the strength out of the opposition whereas Bowden and Rodwell play a quicker game... or at least that's how I see it.
Let's not forget that this pack, with Boothroyd instead of Rodwell, basically bossed the starting pack of Wigan, albeit in a friendly.

Re: Player stats : Fri May 17, 2024 9:20 am  

Thanks for posting this, I forgot to share the stats on this forum after Ste Mills gave us permission to share them! There are 1000000 more stats that we unfortunately aren't able to share, which also make for interesting reading but hopefully everyone is enjoying the basics of what we're able to put out

I may try and put together the minutes played too for each player, if possible - as these make an impact too.

Re: Player stats : Fri May 17, 2024 10:00 am  

Its important to remember that these are the stats for two games, there will be other games were a particular forward will have better looking stats than this. I don't think you can judge whether anyone is doing enough or not from such a small sample