Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:04 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

I totaly disagree with you hes not a very good full back wherever hes been thats why he is a journey man. You can get through him quicker than the ancient turnstiles at BV

I agree, there was a time when he looked like he was going to be a top player, but i think somebody told him and his attitude got the better of him.
Since then he has gone backwards IMO, i hope we don't go near him, or if we do, he is reminded of his average abilities and told to improve, significantly.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:34 am  

Not convinced by his ability as a fullback, or his attitude/personality....

however, in games against us last year he was very good from an attacking point of view and operated almost like an extra half back for Cas.


I think he would bring something to the team, provided his ego could be kept in line.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:57 am  

REDWHITEANDBLUE wrote:

I totaly disagree with you hes not a very good full back wherever hes been thats why he is a journey man. You can get through him quicker than the ancient turnstiles at BV

Im not saying he is the greatest, i am saying he is better than what we have recently had/have. At this moment i am just looking for the team/squad to improve and in my opinion, Mathers is an improvement on Veivers and Blaymire. Tony looked good on the few occasions he started there last year but can you see him a) staying injury free and b) maintaining that standard week in/week out?? Currently our only other option would be Cockayne who i think nowadays is seen more as a centre/winger.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:58 am  

Ray Price Is God wrote:

Im not saying he is the greatest, i am saying he is better than what we have recently had/have. At this moment i am just looking for the team/squad to improve and in my opinion, Mathers is an improvement on Veivers and Blaymire. Tony looked good on the few occasions he started there last year but can you see him a) staying injury free and b) maintaining that standard week in/week out?? Currently our only other option would be Cockayne who i think nowadays is seen more as a centre/winger, or Tongia.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:05 am  

i Train with mathers he is a top bloke, although i wasnt a fan before i met him like many on here. asked him about the move and he said its not true but i take that with a pinch of salt.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:14 am  

Ray Price Is God wrote:

Im not saying he is the greatest, i am saying he is better than what we have recently had/have. At this moment i am just looking for the team/squad to improve and in my opinion, Mathers is an improvement on Veivers and Blaymire. Tony looked good on the few occasions he started there last year but can you see him a) staying injury free and b) maintaining that standard week in/week out?? Currently our only other option would be Cockayne who i think nowadays is seen more as a centre/winger.

I dont think he is better than Blaymire as Matty was very good defensively where as Mathers isnt, however he does offer more than Matty did in attack which wasnt hard in the last few years but i personally dont want Mathers as i dont rate him at all and would prefer either a proper winger to challenge Morton and Fox for the wing position as i think Cockayne will be challenging for the full back slot or a proper Centre to challenge Mellars and Collis as if 1 of those or both get injured we look very light there.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:27 am  

Wildcat-Rich wrote:

I dont think he is better than Blaymire as Matty was very good defensively where as Mathers isnt, however he does offer more than Matty did in attack which wasnt hard in the last few years but i personally dont want Mathers as i dont rate him at all and would prefer either a proper winger to challenge Morton and Fox for the wing position as i think Cockayne will be challenging for the full back slot or a proper Centre to challenge Mellars and Collis as if 1 of those or both get injured we look very light there.

Agreed, no way is he better than Blaymire. They are different players and it depends on what the Coach wants.

Mathers is a far better attacking player but can be woeful in defence or under the high ball at times. Blaymire was more reliable but not spectacular.

The biggest difference is in brain power. Blaymire never gets credit for this but he rarely lost meters - he went down in the tackle once safely away from his try line. Mathers attempts to break every tackle no matter how impossible that is and often ends up in touch or behind his own try line - this puts a massive and unwanted strain on your defence. That's OK if you are Saints, it could be nightmare for us.

I'd have Blaymire any day but that doesn't mean Mathers couldn't do a job - it's whether we could take the rough with the smooth.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:35 am  

vastman wrote:

Agreed, no way is he better than Blaymire. They are different players and it depends on what the Coach wants.

Mathers is a far better attacking player but can be woeful in defence or under the high ball at times. Blaymire was more reliable but not spectacular.

The biggest difference is in brain power. Blaymire never gets credit for this but he rarely lost meters - he went down in the tackle once safely away from his try line. Mathers attempts to break every tackle no matter how impossible that is and often ends up in touch or behind his own try line - this puts a massive and unwanted strain on your defence. That's OK if you are Saints, it could be nightmare for us.

I'd have Blaymire any day but that doesn't mean Mathers couldn't do a job - it's whether we could take the rough with the smooth.

Exactly I agree can u imagine the amount of posts and the like on here the minute he gets put out of touch or gives a few easy tries away. He's better off at Cas then we can take advantage of the holes in his game next year.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:37 am  

vastman wrote:

I'd have Blaymire any day but that doesn't mean Mathers couldn't do a job - it's whether we could take the rough with the smooth.

Of the options that are available, I'd rather have Tongia.

Re: The Five Signings : Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:53 pm  

bren2k wrote:

Of the options that are available, I'd rather have Tongia.

Very similar players for my money.