Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Sat Nov 23, 2013 10:39 pm  

RDM wrote:

Any chance of this being brought back on topic and someone providing a little more detail than the brief info on the WE website for those of us that don't live anywhere where we can actually buy a copy?

MC expects at least 5 more signings, nothing agreed as yet so won't name names
"We are looking at a couple in the NRL, probably not first grade, 28 games a season players, but players with NRL experience" Hopeful of movement very shortly on at least one of them
A bit about next Tuesdays Trust AGM and open meeting.
Club 1873 has over 900 members
Carter says Agar has his eye on a couple of French players
He wasn't sure about the Agar appointment when Agar got the job but now rates him very highly

We were half an hour from Administration and relegation to Championship One
Loan from RFL to be paid back over 18 months
Debt was £600,000 now closer to £100,000
He thinks we are in a battle with six teams at the bottom
Speaks very highly of Danny Kirmond, nobody has matched or even come close to matching our valuation of Kirmo

He understands there is still a bit of a funding gap for a new stadium which has to be filled. Meeting about Newmarket
imminent so we will see what happens but at moment there are other fires to fight.


I think that covers most of the stories

Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Sun Nov 24, 2013 9:54 am  

Thanks

Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Sun Nov 24, 2013 3:06 pm  

Thanks Fordy.

Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:08 pm  

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Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:13 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I must be alone then in thinking that any link to a child pornography case, however tenuous, is a bad thing; I certainly wouldn't want it for my business!

In what way is the Express obliged to spin stories so as not to harm WTRLFC? Come off it Bren.

In fact I would be most annoyed if they had not. I want people to know that these people exist even in the greatest game and always have and always will. They hide in plain sight, Eden was a hero at BV in the late 80's early 90's and a fave of mine - who'd have known - I didn't! People must remain aware that being a star sportsman doesn't guarantee you a star person. Trust me bad though this one is I know of worse in the game that were covered up and shouldn't have been.

Why people insist on spinning this myth that RL/RU/Football etc players are a noble breed apart is beyond me - if I hear the expression "role model" one more time I will scream. It's a trite and glib load of old tosh IMHO which has been brought into the game by wally's like Eddie and Stevo who have nothing more imaginative to add.

It was IMO relevant as RL has a high percentage of kids watching and playing it and I don't see how that means the WE hates us.

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Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:21 pm  

vastman wrote:

In what way is the Express obliged to spin stories so as not to harm WTRLFC? Come off it Bren.

In fact I would be most annoyed if they had not. I want people to know that these people exist even in the greatest game and always have and always will. They hide in plain sight, Eden was a hero at BV in the late 80's early 90's and a fave of mine - who'd have known - I didn't! People must remain aware that being a star sportsman doesn't guarantee you a star person. Trust me bad though this one is I know of worse in the game that were covered up and shouldn't have been.

Why people insist on spinning this myth that RL/RU/Football etc players are a noble breed apart is beyond me - if I hear the expression "role model" one more time I will scream. It's a trite and glib load of old tosh IMHO which has been brought into the game by wally's like Eddie and Stevo who have nothing more imaginative to add.

It was IMO relevant as RL has a high percentage of kids watching and playing it and I don't see how that means the WE hates us.

I agree with the first part whole heartedly Vastman. I also had fond memories and I feel like they have been wiped out now. These things should not be hidden and the judge in the case according to the reports I have seen have graded this as the worsed possible level of Child porn. I shudder to think what that actually means (please no-one explain)

The role model part I feel slightly different I think.
The players are putting themselves in a job where kids (and older) do aspire to be like them. They don't have to be role models, but they should not assume the role, and then dash it all with something stupid.
The game more than the player has a responsibility to their supporting community if they want to keep that community funding their activities.
There is not much that would make me stop watching rugby and Wakefield in particular but if say we were sponsored by the National Front (as they were called in my day) or started linking to porn from the web site, I think I'd have something to say and would probably take my money elsewhere.
With that in mind the governing body and clubs will be very interested in their players public image, and by effect, whether they are role models or not.

Robbie Hunter-Paul talks about this in his book. He explains how you create a brand for yourself. He also says though, you don't have to do it and no one should make you......but don't expect the rewards that come with being a role model if you don't.

Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:34 pm  

vastman wrote:

In what way is the Express obliged to spin stories so as not to harm WTRLFC? Come off it Bren.

In fact I would be most annoyed if they had not. I want people to know that these people exist even in the greatest game and always have and always will. They hide in plain sight, Eden was a hero at BV in the late 80's early 90's and a fave of mine - who'd have known - I didn't! People must remain aware that being a star sportsman doesn't guarantee you a star person. Trust me bad though this one is I know of worse in the game that were covered up and shouldn't have been.

Why people insist on spinning this myth that RL/RU/Football etc players are a noble breed apart is beyond me - if I hear the expression "role model" one more time I will scream. It's a trite and glib load of old tosh IMHO which has been brought into the game by wally's like Eddie and Stevo who have nothing more imaginative to add.

It was IMO relevant as RL has a high percentage of kids watching and playing it and I don't see how that means the WE hates us.

I've got no argument with the latter paragraphs - I agree with you in large part and I don't think I've ever been caught up in that particular myth; I've known a few players over the years and with some notable exceptions, they haven't been particularly impressive people - just good at rugby.

As for the first part - I'm not suggesting it should have been covered up in any way or even spun. I'm questioning the need to include 'Wildcats' in the headline, given that his tenure was many years ago and he's done other jobs since; clearly it's worth mentioning in the story, but the headline seems unnecessary - that is all.

Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:42 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I've got no argument with the latter paragraphs - I agree with you in large part and I don't think I've ever been caught up in that particular myth; I've known a few players over the years and with some notable exceptions, they haven't been particularly impressive people - just good at rugby.

As for the first part - I'm not suggesting it should have been covered up in any way or even spun. I'm questioning the need to include 'Wildcats' in the headline, given that his tenure was many years ago and he's done other jobs since; clearly it's worth mentioning in the story, but the headline seems unnecessary - that is all.

Because IMHO it's still relevant no matter how long ago - not all pedo's are loners and freaks some look and act like real men when they are anything but. Bit like the Grims fairytale's for me, they still get the message across. Statistically every club in the last 20 years will have had a rapist or a pedo in their player ranks we just had ours named and shamed and rightly so for me. Human nature is hardly the fault of WTRLFC any more than it is that of the BBC's - if people chose to view us negatively over that then frankly they are not worth the effort.

Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:57 pm  

vastman wrote:

Because IMHO it's still relevant no matter how long ago - not all pedo's are loners and freaks some look and act like real men when they are anything but. Bit like the Grims fairytale's for me, they still get the message across. Statistically every club in the last 20 years will have had a rapist or a pedo in their player ranks we just had ours named and shamed and rightly so for me. Human nature is hardly the fault of WTRLFC any more than it is that of the BBC's - if people chose to view us negatively over that then frankly they are not worth the effort.

Perhaps I'm just naïve in my hope that a local rag would see the harm of making a link between a community focussed organisation and a paedo, when it's not necessary.

Re: Tomorrow's Wakey Express : Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:39 am  

Having spent twenty plus years working for WDH it would have made more sense leading with that surely.
I wonder why they didn't?
Is anything to do with the rugby club a chance of sensationalising the story, something in this instance i think is unnecessary and quite unpalatable.
The story is provocative and emotive enough.