Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:12 pm  

djcool wrote:

I think scrums should go but shot clock time reduced too

People bang on about player welfare and yet we are just doing everything that we can to speed the game up even more, I understand that they are professional athletes but the game is fast enough as it is without many breaks. It`s funny how quickly agendas change, it was only a few years back they the RFL introduced water breaks every 15/20 minutes in a game after the tragic death of Danny Jones, that quickly went out of the window.

For me, we can go too far on speeding the game up, along with this; wrestling (I understand you can argue that goes against the pace of the game comment) that has come in in the last 7/8 years - I understand the game has developed and the wrestle is probably here to stay but it is certainly becoming a bigger part of the game, some clubs are even looking at floor work (Training BJJ) and how they incorporate that into there defence, when you watch the Oli Holmes/Myler situation a couple of weeks ago, this is a prime example. I sometimes watch games from 10 years ago and think it was so much more enjoyable to watch.

Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:14 pm  

vastman wrote:

In reply, you scoff but to be fair RL has been changing the rules consistently since it began. If we hadn’t you’d be watching RU, is that what you want? Yes we get it wrong at times and in recent years it’s been a bit to often but all the same it drives the game.

To me RU is a game for nerds who love rules and regulation, RL is for those who wish to be entertained. With that comes an element of dumbing down or simplification depending how you see it but it’s still way better than kick and clap.

I will be honest, I have stopped watching any rugby union at all on the basis I just don`t understand the rules, especially when it comes to the ruck and what is and isn't allowed.

Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:16 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

People bang on about player welfare and yet we are just doing everything that we can to speed the game up even more, I understand that they are professional athletes but the game is fast enough as it is without many breaks. It`s funny how quickly agendas change, it was only a few years back they the RFL introduced water breaks every 15/20 minutes in a game after the tragic death of Danny Jones, that quickly went out of the window.

For me, we can go too far on speeding the game up, along with this; wrestling (I understand you can argue that goes against the pace of the game comment) that has come in in the last 7/8 years - I understand the game has developed and the wrestle is probably here to stay but it is certainly becoming a bigger part of the game, some clubs are even looking at floor work (Training BJJ) and how they incorporate that into there defence, when you watch the Oli Holmes/Myler situation a couple of weeks ago, this is a prime example. I sometimes watch games from 10 years ago and think it was so much more enjoyable to watch.

Just a point on the wrestling as well, the clubs aren't at fault, it is effective but I think somewhere along the line RFL need to draw a line just like the NRL should have done years ago with Melbourne, now it seems too late for them to bring in any restrictions on there wrestle as every club in the league is at that level.

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Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:50 pm  

homme vaste wrote:

I will be honest, I have stopped watching any rugby union at all on the basis I just don`t understand the rules, especially when it comes to the ruck and what is and isn't allowed.

Laws.

I was captain of a team and had to check with the ref what my options were when there was an infringement at the lineout. I got some dirty looks from the life long Union boys

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Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:53 pm  

I do agree with the player welfare statement though Homme V.
We are not playing basketball. There is a limit to how fast the play should go if we want to see big impacts and players staying fit.
7s is fun to watch but it isn't the main game because it lacks the structure and intensity. That's what speeding the game up does.

Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:51 pm  

contested scrums for me but it wont happen
The union scrum has also become farce rarely won against the feed today

Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:54 pm  

Union scrums, you put it in you get it out but they tend to spend hours on training packing down correctly. It's hardly kick and clap these days with the introduction of RL coaches and the odd player thrown on to the mix. The main advantage from a player point of view is that it appeals to all shapes and sizes.

Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:09 pm  

lampyboy wrote:

Union scrums, you put it in you get it out but they tend to spend hours on training packing down correctly. It's hardly kick and clap these days with the introduction of RL coaches and the odd player thrown on to the mix. The main advantage from a player point of view is that it appeals to all shapes and sizes.

I get what you are saying about the practicing of scrums or any other play in Union but what I can’t understand when I watch it is the amount of time that goes by on the clock before they get to the feed and other areas on the field, would love to know the amount of time that the ball is in actual play in an average game of Union.

Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Fri Nov 20, 2020 5:42 pm  

lampyboy wrote:

Union scrums, you put it in you get it out but they tend to spend hours on training packing down correctly. It's hardly kick and clap these days with the introduction of RL coaches and the odd player thrown on to the mix. The main advantage from a player point of view is that it appeals to all shapes and sizes.

Union has improved no doubt but still way to many rules for me and far to much emphasis on set plays. Scrums can go for me, hardly noticed they’d gone if I’m honest, thought I would.

Re: Scrums - Stay or go in 2021? : Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:12 pm  

The games definitely improved Vasty and I have seen quite a few games over the past 10 seasons or so. I also agree that the time setting scrums needs to be quicker.
The biggest disappointment for me is the quality of centre play they have totally lost the ability to draw a man and seem more intent on taking the tackle..