Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:25 pm  

Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo wrote:

Really pleased for the lad but sad we'll lose him.

What is the difference between this player going to the NRL and Croft. The situations appear to be exactly the same because I may be wrong but I don’t think we receive any money from this transfer. I guess we will have to pay to retain his registration should he return but for Croft his agent is a parasite, why?.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 2:31 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

What is the difference between this player going to the NRL and Croft. The situations appear to be exactly the same because I may be wrong but I don’t think we receive any money from this transfer. I guess we will have to pay to retain his registration should he return but for Croft his agent is a parasite, why?.

Here we go

The answer is blatantly obvious, think about it.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:09 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

What is the difference between this player going to the NRL and Croft. The situations appear to be exactly the same because I may be wrong but I don’t think we receive any money from this transfer. I guess we will have to pay to retain his registration should he return but for Croft his agent is a parasite, why?.

Being offered a gig in the NRL is about as good as it gets for a young player.
Never mind the prestige, salary, climate, experience etc and on this occasion, any half decent employer would allow a person to leave with their blessing.
Although disappointing to lose an excellent young player, you just have to let the lad go and hope thet he fully realises his undoubted potential.
There are no guarantees on the playing side but, for life experience and development, it's the chance of a lifetime.
It will be exciting to see whether he makes it out there and I certainly hope that he does.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:19 pm  

[quote="PopTart"]If he's the best winger then of course he will.[/quote

Precisely, the point I didn't make clear enough, it seems, is that we have four very good wingers, so let the best two play, whatever combination.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 3:29 pm  

vastman wrote:

FWIW I reckon it was that tackle against the Wire that alerted the Roosters - the Aussies will have admired that far more than his try scoring exploits - even by NRL standards that was the work of a true pro in the makings, and he's pulled off a few good tackles.

If he goes best of luck young man, you made your mark from day one in the Academy imo.

I honestly thought that tackle would alert top Union clubs - the way he not only brought him down but put himself in a position to dominate the tackle that would've allowed him to win the ball either by mauling or via a penalty if the tackled player held on. He's got the skills and attitude to make it to the top in both codes, I'm pleased he didn't go to the dark side.

I for one am delighted he's seized the chance of a lifetime while disappointed that we've lost two superb wingers in successive years.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:06 pm  

vastman wrote:

Here we go

The answer is blatantly obvious, think about it.

No please enlighten me because you are usually enthusiastic to show your wealth of knowledge Trinity wise.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:31 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

No please enlighten me because you are usually enthusiastic to show your wealth of knowledge Trinity wise.

whilst i agree with that the obvious does seem fairly self evident, as far as we are aware murphy is going to see out his contract and has even directly approached by a top aussie side, very disappointed but good luck to him.

croft and shaw appear to have been trying to go to other uk clubs without said clubs compensating the club for the money and time they put into developing them, quite rightly the cub stood there ground.

i think the other obvious difference is that murphy is the best winger prospect in the uk game right now, croft looks at best a journey man player and really shaw is literally an unproven academy player

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Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 4:41 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

What is the difference between this player going to the NRL and Croft. The situations appear to be exactly the same because I may be wrong but I don’t think we receive any money from this transfer. I guess we will have to pay to retain his registration should he return but for Croft his agent is a parasite, why?.

Firstly, no transfer has happened yet, so you don't know any details, but the dev contract deals with RFL member clubs.
So Roosters would have to pay to break his contract, but to take him once contract ended is just a new contract negotiation. No development agreement in place.
If he's on a 2 year contract then no point retaining the clause as it will be over by the time he goes somewhere he that would need to pay.

I guess in theory, Sts could get Roosters to sign him on 2 year contract, pushing us to release him from his dev contract and then Sts do a deal with Roosters to release him from contract.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 5:38 pm  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

No please enlighten me because you are usually enthusiastic to show your wealth of knowledge Trinity wise.

Nothing to do with Trinity much as you'd love it to be, it's the rules of the RFL.

The Croft/Shaw issue was that the agent, refused two deals. He did so, from what I've learned from two sources now, by convincing the lads that other clubs would be interested, hence the idea put on here that Wigan were after Shaw, they clearly weren't. Hence both players have now had to play in France and Australia because they can't go anywhere in the UK, unless someone pays the compensation and nobody wants to and never did. I believe Trinity are quite flexible on the compensation, but we still deserve some and thems is the rules.

Murphy, if the story is true, has already refused our offer and negotiated a deal, in principle at least, and thus at the end of his contract being a free agent he can go to Australia if he wants. Australian clubs do not pay compensation for Academy players.

So Murphy and his agent have followed the rules and made a decision - Croft and Shaw are basically doing time until they are free agents again - meaning their SL careers should they have one are at least a season behind. Murphy if this is correct has done it to the book, it just happens that his decision means we get nothing, had he gone to Saints we would. However all the compensation in the world wouldn't make him joining another SL team palatable imo so that's why most sane fans are happier with this outcome, though keeping him would be far better.

Croft/Shaw - agent acted poorly, now they are stuffed

Murphy - agent acted correctly, he's possibly in clover

They could be the same agent for all I know but this time he's wised up, but I doubt it is.

Re: Murphy on his way then : Wed Feb 01, 2023 6:05 pm  

vastman wrote:

Here we go

The answer is blatantly obvious, think about it.

Mc won't pay! our young stars are just walking away, before croft got his deal in Australia I heard he was going back on the building site that's how bad mc s offer was!!!