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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:08 am  
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I meant the PR advantage rather than anything else. As i've previously stated I don't think even if we hit the targets that were set last night that this announcement will make any difference at all to the way the RFL will think. The past will come back to haunt us i'm afraid. The RFL set a precedent last time out with widnes. They already had a shiney stadium, plenty of members and a new wealthy backer but the previous regimes failings scuppered them. I'd love to be wrong but i've a feeling they will apply the same thing here. This scenario won't apply to the sacred cow that is the crusaders though, the RFL have a vested interest in them.


And with that vested interest the RFL would have to think long and hard about Wakefield. If we did get the boot I could see a court case happening not long after.
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:10 am  
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And with that vested interest the RFL would have to think long and hard about Wakefield. If we did get the boot I could see a court case happening not long after.

If I have remembered right, there's a thing in the application saying there word is final and you can't suev
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:27 am  
iirc, if you apply, you agree to accept that the decision in final.

Also iirc, the operational rules say that any club starting legal action against the sport's governing body would be immediately suspended from all RFL sanctioned competition. If Trinity sued the RFL because they didn't get a licence, the club would find itself unable to get a game, even in the Pennine League …
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:34 am  
tb wrote:
iirc, if you apply, you agree to accept that the decision in final.

Also iirc, the operational rules say that any club starting legal action against the sport's governing body would be immediately suspended from all RFL sanctioned competition. If Trinity sued the RFL because they didn't get a licence, the club would find itself unable to get a game, even in the Pennine League …

Not doubting what you said but the I believe all existing SL clubs, Grade C at least, must apply for a licence. There is no if about it.
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:41 am  
tb wrote:
iirc, if you apply, you agree to accept that the decision in final.

Also iirc, the operational rules say that any club starting legal action against the sport's governing body would be immediately suspended from all RFL sanctioned competition. If Trinity sued the RFL because they didn't get a licence, the club would find itself unable to get a game, even in the Pennine League …

This may be the case but clubs, should they feel that the process has not been carried out in an open and fair way and in accordance with the RFL's own guidelines, still have a legal right to sue if they wished, suspended or not. If they then won then they would have to be readmitted and the RFL would probably get taken to cleaners financially. The RFL are not above the law of the land. That said any club following this course would be utterley stupid and cutting off its nose to spite its face, but it is theoretically possible.
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:42 am  
Lottery system to increase membership to 5000, and improvements to Belle Vue. The membership push I can understand, but the act of sticking a few roofs on some of the ground seems like a pointless waste of money. We have the worst stadium in Super League, we are doing improvements to make it similar to Wheldon Road, the Willows and Knowsley Road. These stadiums were considered to be not good enough, which is why they are all moving.

This plan seems to say that we are getting ready for a few years in the championship, in itself not bad, gives the new leadership time to make new plans and start from scratch. However it would be a very big fight to regain Super league status.

The plans made don’t seem bad in themselves, but sugar-coating might be bad in the long term.
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:44 am  
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You don't think that someone turning up and investing, say, a million quid into the club like the guy at Hull KR has, would make any difference?


Someone just did - Andrew Glover is funding the redevelopment of BV to make it SL compliant for the next round of franchises; that'll be your million quid right there, give or take a couple of hundred grand.
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:51 am  
The North terrace isn't just being covered it's being completely demolished, flattened and rebuilt with a roof over it!

Four major points stand out for me,
1. We will have a grade 'B' stadium (very close to Grade 'A') ready to go for the beginning of the 2012 season. THIS IS WHAT THE RFL WERE PROMISED WE WOULD HAVE WHEN WE WERE AWARDED A FRANCHISE IN 2008!
we will have fulfilled that promise albeit by modifying Belle Vue rather than moving to Newmarket.

2. Belle Vue will be ready for business before or at the very worst at the same time as Salfords and St Helens new stadiums. As we know those clubs are largely believed to be out of the firing line because they will have complied with new stadium requirements by the 2012 deadline and so will we.

3. New Craven Park (HKR) is viewed by the RFL as more compliant than Belle Vue solely because of the temporary stands that they erected to improve it pending their permanent improvements.
The upgrading of Belle Vue will far surpass those changes made at New Craven Park and our proposed permanent improvement will also surpass theirs because ours is a completely new stadium at Newmarket.

4. Having delivered on stadia requirements the only blight on our record is Administration, we have already been punished for that and cannot be punished for it again. We will score low on the 'Financial' element of the appraisal but even that will be mitigated by the change of ownership and the stability the new owner has brought.

Other factors in our favour are:
* The ability to spend the full cap next year if we remain in SL, significantly only the seventh club in SL to do so!

* The high profile TV advertising campeign which has gone down extremely well at Red Hall.

* Community Dept, I know it's well known but it really is highly regarded and it's one of the reasons for the next factor on the list

* The RFL do not want Wakefield out of SL! Contrary to popular opinion the governing body have helped Wakefield wherever they can and would dearly love to have a strong Wakefield club competing in SL. What they didn't want was a hamstrung club limping from embarrassment to disaster. I know, straight from the horses mouth at Red Hall, that the RFL see a strong Wakefield, spending the cap and in a new stadium as their best possibility of adding another club to the likes of Warrington, Hull, Sts and the rest.

One final point that's not been mentioned much since last night, the Spirit of 1873 Club will help to finance the creation of the best youth recruitment and Academy set up in the game. It will also help Wakefield Trinity retain it's outstanding home produced tallent, so no more Skerretts to Hull, Kelly's to HKR, Maskills, Spencers or Ellis's to Leeds, Wrights to Wigan, Westwoods to Warrington or Broughs to Huddersfield. How many times have we lamented the loss of these players and wondered how good we would have been if we weren't forced to sell them.

It's really really a good thing that we have this initiative and apart from the weekly draws we just might help to build the home grown team we've often imagined we could have!
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:53 am  
tb wrote:
iirc, if you apply, you agree to accept that the decision in final.

Also iirc, the operational rules say that any club starting legal action against the sport's governing body would be immediately suspended from all RFL sanctioned competition. If Trinity sued the RFL because they didn't get a licence, the club would find itself unable to get a game, even in the Pennine League …


Come on, you don't think this might happen. Game or no game, if you have a case, you have a case. Also, who said the member club would sue or make a high court challenge? In Salford's case Peel would be straight down the High Court for an injunction against the RFL for restricting their trade... that is why the RFL are not going to kick them out.

Also, what about Savills. If Savills report can be proved to be flawed or lack a robust evidence base then why can't Cas or Wakey challenge Savills legally for undue and unfair restriction of trade?

Now, I am not saying that they would have a case or if they did, would they take the risk but just saying "or the rules say this, so they can't do anything", is just naive!
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Re: NEWS FROM TONIGHT'S BIG MEETING : Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:56 am  
The Clan wrote:
One final point that's not been mentioned much since last night, the Spirit of 1873 Club will help to finance the creation of the best youth recruitment and Academy set up in the game. It will also help Wakefield Trinity retain it's outstanding home produced tallent, so no more Skerretts to Hull, Kelly's to HKR, Maskills, Spencers or Ellis's to Leeds, Wrights to Wigan, Westwoods to Warrington or Broughs to Huddersfield. How many times have we lamented the loss of these players and wondered how good we would have been if we weren't forced to sell them.

It's really really a good thing that we have this initiative and apart from the weekly draws we just might help to build the home grown team we've often imagined we could have!


I was about to post that but you've done a much better job. This point seems to have been missed, in the clamour to crtictise the lottery as another 'money-grabbing' scheme - it was very much sold as an opportunity to stop WTW from being a selling club and as a way of financing an Academy set-up to rival the best in Super League.
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