Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:22 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Where does it say IMG aren't including stadia in their criteria?

Paragraph from a report by IMG, 16/12/20
The bit about “it isn’t about building a new stadium “, I admit it’s a bit ambiguous.

I don’t think it’s similar at all (to licensing). We are not trying to find 15 clubs that fit into a league,” Dwyer said.

“It’s the criteria. From a learning one, the model that we created needs to be objective, transparent and clear to everyone and not subjective.

“It (licensing) was based on business plans rather than actuals. One of the challenges was that people weren’t sticking to those plans.

“We are looking at what you have actually done. It isn’t about planning to build a new stadium.”

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:51 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Where does it say IMG aren't including stadia in their criteria?[/quote

Paragraph from a report by IMG, 16/12/20
The bit about “it isn’t about building a new stadium “, I admit it’s a bit ambiguous.

I don’t think it’s similar at all (to licensing). We are not trying to find 15 clubs that fit into a league,” Dwyer said.

“It’s the criteria. From a learning one, the model that we created needs to be objective, transparent and clear to everyone and not subjective.

“It (licensing) was based on business plans rather than actuals. One of the challenges was that people weren’t sticking to those plans.

“We are looking at what you have actually done. It isn’t about planning to build a new stadium.”

That doesn't read that stadia aren't a consideration - it reads that "planning" to improve facilities is worthless - it's the actual delivery of facilities that counts.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 1:51 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Where does it say IMG aren't including stadia in their criteria?[/quote

Paragraph from a report by IMG, 16/12/20
The bit about “it isn’t about building a new stadium “, I admit it’s a bit ambiguous.

I don’t think it’s similar at all (to licensing). We are not trying to find 15 clubs that fit into a league,” Dwyer said.

“It’s the criteria. From a learning one, the model that we created needs to be objective, transparent and clear to everyone and not subjective.

“It (licensing) was based on business plans rather than actuals. One of the challenges was that people weren’t sticking to those plans.

“We are looking at what you have actually done. It isn’t about planning to build a new stadium.”

It's not as simple as that though.

It's not just about seats and modern stands, it's about revenue, medical/community/facilities etc. In which case IMHO it still is a massive part of the criteria.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:27 pm  

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Where does it say IMG aren't including stadia in their criteria?

Paragraph from a report by IMG, 16/12/20
The bit about “it isn’t about building a new stadium “, I admit it’s a bit ambiguous.

I don’t think it’s similar at all (to licensing). We are not trying to find 15 clubs that fit into a league,” Dwyer said.

“It’s the criteria. From a learning one, the model that we created needs to be objective, transparent and clear to everyone and not subjective.

“It (licensing) was based on business plans rather than actuals. One of the challenges was that people weren’t sticking to those plans.

“We are looking at what you have actually done. It isn’t about planning to build a new stadium.”

I’d say we will be looked upon favourably then.

Academy Elite licence (the original not the extended pity Cas Tigers got after failing to meet deadline)
The most profitable club in the league (run well as a business/financials)
Investment of 12 million in stadia and pitch/etc.
Owning own stadium.
A good interactive community department who work well with charities and schools.


There’s a lot to be positive about and hopefully all the above we will be strong in. We may be less attractive in terms of a couple other aspects like attendance. But we are still set apart from those in league below and there’s room to grow in that regard.

Just need to keep the momentum and keep striving for improvement.

The new east stand opening should be a big event. I’d be looking to set up some pre match/half time entertainment and having a RWB theme.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:36 pm  

RWB...you up for a bit of Cheerleading then ???

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:56 pm  

For anyone who is interested both detailed Castleford Stadium plans and the accompanying Axiom plans are now on the Portal. There is a massive amount of detail to wade through but two initial points i can see.
Their upgrade seems a bit of a strange design but on the face of it seems more than we are doing.
Axiom are pledging £12,2 M alone , then add the £2m coulncil money, so even with inflation looks realistic financially

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:14 pm  

Prince Buster wrote:

For anyone who is interested both detailed Castleford Stadium plans and the accompanying Axiom plans are now on the Portal. There is a massive amount of detail to wade through but two initial points i can see.
Their upgrade seems a bit of a strange design but on the face of it seems more than we are doing.
Axiom are pledging £12,2 M alone , then add the £2m coulncil money, so even with inflation looks realistic financially

I don’t know what the size and money involved in the Newmarket site compared to Axiom site but seems like in the long run we could come off second best if the funding reported is accurate and comes through.

The Axiom development must be far more lucrative to be millions more to contribute to Cas. Either that or we accepted a low ball in desperation. Not sure but I have no doubt our club got the best it could.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:24 pm  

Trojan Horse wrote:

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Where does it say IMG aren't including stadia in their criteria?

Paragraph from a report by IMG, 16/12/20
The bit about “it isn’t about building a new stadium “, I admit it’s a bit ambiguous.

I don’t think it’s similar at all (to licensing). We are not trying to find 15 clubs that fit into a league,” Dwyer said.

“It’s the criteria. From a learning one, the model that we created needs to be objective, transparent and clear to everyone and not subjective.

“It (licensing) was based on business plans rather than actuals. One of the challenges was that people weren’t sticking to those plans.

“We are looking at what you have actually done. It isn’t about planning to build a new stadium.”

I’d say we will be looked upon favourably then.

Academy Elite licence (the original not the extended pity Cas Tigers got after failing to meet deadline)
The most profitable club in the league (run well as a business/financials)
Investment of 12 million in stadia and pitch/etc.
Owning own stadium.
A good interactive community department who work well with charities and schools.


There’s a lot to be positive about and hopefully all the above we will be strong in. We may be less attractive in terms of a couple other aspects like attendance. But we are still set apart from those in league below and there’s room to grow in that regard.

Just need to keep the momentum and keep striving for improvement.

The new east stand opening should be a big event. I’d be looking to set up some pre match/half time entertainment and having a RWB theme.

So regarding ‘owning own stadium’ how much of the WMDC loan to purchase the stadium has been repaid?

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:29 pm  

sarge1 wrote:

Trojan Horse wrote:

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Where does it say IMG aren't including stadia in their criteria?

Paragraph from a report by IMG, 16/12/20
The bit about “it isn’t about building a new stadium “, I admit it’s a bit ambiguous.

I don’t think it’s similar at all (to licensing). We are not trying to find 15 clubs that fit into a league,” Dwyer said.

“It’s the criteria. From a learning one, the model that we created needs to be objective, transparent and clear to everyone and not subjective.

“It (licensing) was based on business plans rather than actuals. One of the challenges was that people weren’t sticking to those plans.

“We are looking at what you have actually done. It isn’t about planning to build a new stadium.”

I’d say we will be looked upon favourably then.

Academy Elite licence (the original not the extended pity Cas Tigers got after failing to meet deadline)
The most profitable club in the league (run well as a business/financials)
Investment of 12 million in stadia and pitch/etc.
Owning own stadium.
A good interactive community department who work well with charities and schools.


There’s a lot to be positive about and hopefully all the above we will be strong in. We may be less attractive in terms of a couple other aspects like attendance. But we are still set apart from those in league below and there’s room to grow in that regard.

Just need to keep the momentum and keep striving for improvement.

The new east stand opening should be a big event. I’d be looking to set up some pre match/half time entertainment and having a RWB theme.

So regarding ‘owning own stadium’ how much of the WMDC loan to purchase the stadium has been repaid?

That's not how property ownership and mortgages work.

Until WT default, they own the ground.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:42 pm  

whilst I am well pleased for the Cas fraternity... and genuinely hope their plans come to fruition i keep hoping the new posts on here are about how our stadium is progressing....

during the interview with Michael Carter he claims to be watching the installation of concrete terracing into the north stand... any pre xmas pictures of the progress?