Re: Stadium and other issues : Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:49 pm  

vastman wrote:

But as I say it's all about that cash, show me the money as they say. It's odd but I've heard nobody comment on this 12 million pounds other than Cas, certainly not the two organisation that matter, WMDC with the leverage, Axiom with the money (allegedly).

If it does appear, I expect it to take at least three years from that point to be complete. Even with the best scenario I can't see it being done before 2027, by which time we may well have sorted the West Terrace.

Some of this is set out in the socio economic statement on the planning portal.
Estimated upgrade £13m. Start date 2023, completion 2025. Depends how drawn out the planning process is, I guess..

Re: Stadium and other issues : Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:53 pm  

The Avenger wrote:

vastman wrote:

The Avenger wrote:

I did pose the question a few weeks ago that Cas might try to upstage us with their stadium build
I suggested they’d view us redeveloping one side of the ground and that maybe they’d then look to do more by erecting one main stand and 3 glorified bus shelters like Salfords new stadium. Cosmetic it may be but it gives the impression of a fully developed 4-sided stadium and if IMG/RFL & Co start thinking along the lines of just 1 WMDC club then they might favour Castleford

You just can't win with some folk, glass always half empty.

Oh wind your neck in you self righteous windbag!

No one’s being negative or glass half empty, it’s just you that can’t get free of this idea that everyone’s attacking the club

Don’t like being questioned do you.

The point is Cas aren’t outflanking anyone and why you’d think that baffles me.

We have one aim and that’s to get as close to grade A as we can. Comparing what we do to Cas is a non-starter for me, what they do is as I say, irrelevant.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Thu Dec 22, 2022 6:56 pm  

vastman wrote:

The Avenger wrote:

vastman wrote:

The Avenger wrote:

I did pose the question a few weeks ago that Cas might try to upstage us with their stadium build
I suggested they’d view us redeveloping one side of the ground and that maybe they’d then look to do more by erecting one main stand and 3 glorified bus shelters like Salfords new stadium. Cosmetic it may be but it gives the impression of a fully developed 4-sided stadium and if IMG/RFL & Co start thinking along the lines of just 1 WMDC club then they might favour Castleford

You just can't win with some folk, glass always half empty.

Oh wind your neck in you self righteous windbag!

No one’s being negative or glass half empty, it’s just you that can’t get free of this idea that everyone’s attacking the club

Don’t like being questioned do you.

The point is Cas aren’t outflanking anyone and why you’d think that baffles me.

We have one aim and that’s to get as close to grade A as we can. Comparing what we do to Cas is a non-starter for me, what they do is as I say, irrelevant.

Questioned?
Questioned about what?

I made a perfectly reasonable post about Cas trying to upstage us and you can’t help yourself but take it as some kind of criticism of the club and start casting judgement

[PopTart]

Re: Stadium and other issues : Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:34 pm  

I have to say personally I don't think Cas are outflanking us and if they can get from this point to spade hitting the ground in 2 years I'll be really impressed
However, there's nothing wrong with raising the question. You don't have to be so defensive Vasty. We are doing really well. It shouldn't affect us at all whatever Cas do.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:14 pm  

Slugger McBatt wrote:

Prince Buster wrote:

Slugger McBatt wrote:

Dunkirk Spirit wrote:

PopTart wrote:

Where does it say IMG aren't including stadia in their criteria?

Paragraph from a report by IMG, 16/12/20
The bit about “it isn’t about building a new stadium “, I admit it’s a bit ambiguous.

I don’t think it’s similar at all (to licensing). We are not trying to find 15 clubs that fit into a league,” Dwyer said.

“It’s the criteria. From a learning one, the model that we created needs to be objective, transparent and clear to everyone and not subjective.

“It (licensing) was based on business plans rather than actuals. One of the challenges was that people weren’t sticking to those plans.

“We are looking at what you have actually done. It isn’t about planning to build a new stadium.”

That should worry Cas more than us. It does sound like a dig at us and Cas, in that a commonly-held view, and not unreasonably, is that we promised things to get the franchise but then did nothing about it (remember the levelling of parts of the West Stand to get temporary seating that never appeared?). However, given that we most of our ground development is actually happening, we are in a better position.

However, as it is said, and it's always been my criticism of licensing, there aren't limited slots, with clubs vying for them in competition. You are either Grade A or not, based on set criteria. If there are 14 clubs with Grade A, there will be a 14 team super league and no one is going down.

My concern is whether geographical terms are inserted. It will cause problems for Leigh and Wigan, and Hull and Hull KR, but those are offset by facilities. Cas? More problematic.

Yes I agree with mich of that. I dont the IMG are as independent as they purport. This is Rugby League and there will be others behind the scenes influencing and shaping the future of the game in their benefit. I am sure even now before all this grading Bull is officially released , they will be more than 95% sure who has got a gig and who can be sacrificed. We have done all we can and can do no more. I am also sure that Cas are not as far behind as some think, neverthless we are still ahead but not by a long margin. If they want is in , they will fit us in. If not all they need is a simple single stipulation which would seem entirely reasonable to the wider game and could not be argued against. It would be That all grade A clubs must have stadia of a minimum £10 k capacity.

Thats just a easy example to shut us out. All we can do for know is avoid relegation next season and hope we are seen as sound proposition to eat at the top table

What about a simpler one? Profitable. Ironically, we're first in!

Yes that another simple one and that would fall in our favour. However I am sure IMG will work out who they want on no particular framework. They will pick the clubs first and then choose the criteria to fit after they have decided the clubs.

Re: Stadium and other issues : Thu Dec 22, 2022 8:18 pm  

Further to my earlier post regarding some building materials cost coming down, I hope we haven't got much plasterboard,finish and bonding on the interior build, prices up 16% in January

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:30 am  

I personally don't really care if Castleford have Wembley stadium dismantled and rebuilt at Weldon Road. It's still in Castleford with Cas' supporters.
I only care about our stadium and however the two compare at the end of the day, to me ours will always be better. I find it a much better view than worrying which is going to be the best -no contest!

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:26 am  

With the building sites probably shut now for Xmas wonder how much concrete they have managed to get into the north stand

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:09 am  

financialtimes wrote:

Further to my earlier post regarding some building materials cost coming down, I hope we haven't got much plasterboard,finish and bonding on the interior build, prices up 16% in January

Out of interest, have you dropped JM an e-mail?

I'm not being a smart bum, but JM would be the first to admit he's an accountant not a property developer. So he possibly won't know any of this, and although MS may be a decent company, even the best tend not to go out of their way to give money back, if you get my drift.

Might mean nothing, but having worked with JM for a bit I've found him very open to suggestions and advice. Be careful though, he has a knack of getting you involved, so you may be dealing with MS before you know it

Re: Stadium and other issues : Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:23 am  

1315trinity wrote:

I personally don't really care if Castleford have Wembley stadium dismantled and rebuilt at Weldon Road. It's still in Castleford with Cas' supporters.
I only care about our stadium and however the two compare at the end of the day, to me ours will always be better. I find it a much better view than worrying which is going to be the best -no contest!

Exactly!!!

Why are we even questioning anything.

Out of nowhere the club has conjured up 10 million pounds, FOR FREE!!!

We got the money in the bank.

We have diggers at the ground, in fact we are well past that.

We will be half way to a grade A ground by August.

Yet instead of being happy, some fans are finding issues, even fans who are normally pretty sensible.

Cas at this moment have nothing but some drawings and would give their eye teeth to be where we are now. Yet we chose to obsess on Castleford's plans, and somehow try to convince ourselves that their plans are better, that they have more cash, that they are outflanking us, get a grip!

So if I'm being a bit defensive then I admit it. I still can't believe the club managed to pull the iron from the fire and got what they did, it was a near miracle despite what a certain poster thinks. So why on earth do people think Cas will find it any easier, they won't, they too will need some huge good fortune. I hope they get it but whatever they do I'm not the least bit interested, that's their business.

One point I'd like to make. This idea that the 106 agreement is what got us the money is a total myth. It was part of it, but there were many other factors that did it. The 106 alone will never secure Cas the money, like us they will need the Council to find some leverage, and that won't be easy at the moment.