Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:49 pm  

It's always a silly and circular argument to try to pick players from one team who'd get in another; and even sillier to expect opposition fans to agree. And right now, if I were a Cas fan, I wouldn't want *any* player from another team to replace any of theirs, no matter how good - their team spirit, structures and attitude are the absolute best in SL, and that's not always about the quality of individuals - it's about the team and the group.

I maintain my earlier pessimism about this one - they're miles ahead of us, and I think they'll beat us; and there'll be no shame in that. I just hope we can put in a creditable performance and keep building on the improvements we've made in recent weeks - and that's not always contingent on a win.

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:35 pm  

bren2k wrote:

It's always a silly and circular argument to try to pick players from one team who'd get in another; and even sillier to expect opposition fans to agree. And right now, if I were a Cas fan, I wouldn't want *any* player from another team to replace any of theirs, no matter how good - their team spirit, structures and attitude are the absolute best in SL, and that's not always about the quality of individuals - it's about the team and the group.

I maintain my earlier pessimism about this one - they're miles ahead of us, and I think they'll beat us; and there'll be no shame in that. I just hope we can put in a creditable performance and keep building on the improvements we've made in recent weeks - and that's not always contingent on a win.

I don't think they are miles ahead never have - still we'll know who's right soon enough

Totally agree about the team thing, player for player there is nothing all star special about Cas but as a unit that's they are bob on at the moment.

That said team spirit is a notoriously volatile product.

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:44 pm  

DAVE@CAS1990 wrote:

Our squad is out....

Same as last week except Millington in for Shenton.

As we predicted it seems

What's up with Shenton, did I read he broke down in the warm up before last weeks game or something ?

Its weird how often that gets reported

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:00 pm  

Upanunder wrote:

What's up with Shenton, did I read he broke down in the warm up before last weeks game or something ?

Its weird how often that gets reported

Back injury - correct in that he pulled out in the warm up last week.

Been doing light training this week and will probably be a late call to see if he can make it, otherwise probably pencilled in for the Saints game on Monday to give him extra time.

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:11 pm  

jakeyg95 wrote:

I would say they're probably playing the best brand of attacking rugby since the last great Saints side of around 2006, which is a refreshing change to Michael Maguire/Shaun Wane style rugby and makes it slightly easier to stomach the fact that they're currently favourites to win the league (thankfully I don't think they will though).

Yet again you're wrong. The Leeds team of a few years ago was way more entertaining and far more talented than this Cas team. I really don't get this Cas love in but if you must insist on pushing our rivals at least be accurate about it. Better still why not wait until the end of the season when the gongs are handed out before heralding Cas as the greatest attacking team of the 2010's - after a third of a season - I mean seriously!

Now I'm sure you'll disagree with me as is you're entitlement to do - but try to do it with a little more decorum this time - thanks in advance.

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:57 am  

vastman wrote:

Yet again you're wrong. The Leeds team of a few years ago was way more entertaining and far more talented than this Cas team. I really don't get this Cas love in but if you must insist on pushing our rivals at least be accurate about it. Better still why not wait until the end of the season when the gongs are handed out before heralding Cas as the greatest attacking team of the 2010's - after a third of a season - I mean seriously!

Now I'm sure you'll disagree with me as is you're entitlement to do - but try to do it with a little more decorum this time - thanks in advance.

Far more talented but not way more entertaining. Entertainment and talent are two entirely different concepts. That Leeds team were never as entertaining as this Cas side are now, it's completely rewriting history to try and say they were. No one ever talks about them in the same breath as the St Helens side of the same era in terms of the style of rugby they played. They were certainly the best team of the last 10 or so years but they weren't the best to watch. Since the last great Saints side I would say only Wire in 2011 were close to as entertaining as this Cas side so far. Whether they can keep it up, who knows. The fact they're our rivals is a complete red herring, just because I don't like them doesn't mean I can't acknowledge what they've done so far this season. Although you regularly throw away all logic when it comes to talking about anyone other than Wakefield (and even some of our players) so I certainly take anything you say with a pinch of salt.

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:23 am  

I have to say IMHO that this Cas side, in the games so far this season, is probably the most entertaining side since the classy Saints outfit of early Super League days. Leeds of a couple of years back were more workman like with the odd touch of individualism.

"Wide to Eden" anyone? Obviously tomorrow "Wide to Johnstone"

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:57 pm  

How about England, who probably won't be fully match fit, on the first set completely ends Gale, Westwood style.
Takes his 10 mins, rudderless Cas get squashed, Wakey get 2pts and England gets a month off to get fit.

2 birds.....1 stone......bosh

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:53 pm  

Upanunder wrote:

How about England, who probably won't be fully match fit, on the first set completely ends Gale, Westwood style.
Takes his 10 mins, rudderless Cas get squashed, Wakey get 2pts and England gets a month off to get fit.

2 birds.....1 stone......bosh

bit naughty that, problem is he could get a straight red and Wakey with only 12 on the pitch are likely to get hammered by 70 points the way Cas are currently playing. It would also completely destroy our current excellent points diff. [+20] which, come the end of the season, is going to be crucial in what is turning out to be a very competetive Super League season.

Re: Team for the bank holiday games : Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:24 am  

jakeyg95 wrote:

Far more talented but not way more entertaining. Entertainment and talent are two entirely different concepts. That Leeds team were never as entertaining as this Cas side are now, it's completely rewriting history to try and say they were. No one ever talks about them in the same breath as the St Helens side of the same era in terms of the style of rugby they played. They were certainly the best team of the last 10 or so years but they weren't the best to watch. Since the last great Saints side I would say only Wire in 2011 were close to as entertaining as this Cas side so far. Whether they can keep it up, who knows. The fact they're our rivals is a complete red herring, just because I don't like them doesn't mean I can't acknowledge what they've done so far this season. Although you regularly throw away all logic when it comes to talking about anyone other than Wakefield (and even some of our players) so I certainly take anything you say with a pinch of salt.

I say it through gritted teeth about both sides but imo the 2015 Leeds team played some fantasically attractive RL that was far more free flowing, offloading and attacking than their other Champion sides previous and it's far from rewriting history at all imo. Are this Cas side playing more entertaining rugby, it's close call and that says alot about how well Cas are playing atm. Anyway we'll see what the rest of the season brings. When talking about entertainment, especially in RL it can be a bit subjective anyway imo.