Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:58 am  

If his principles are so important to him he probably needs to walk away now as he cannot remove himself totally from areas that he diagrees with. I don't believe there is anyway his contract and wages will not be tainted by some conflict with his principled life.

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:54 pm  

kobashi wrote:

So what is exactly wrong with SBW position in this if true.

If he doesn't want to wear a shirt promotion a gambling company then I see no reason for people to start ranting and raving about it.

Apparently Toronto have no issue with this so why should any fans? or is gonna be the usual anti-muslim bashing when fans read about this.

Some football clubs. Celtic for example sell football shirts with no sponsorship so Muslim fans or anyone for that matter can buy the shirt without promoting alcohol for example.

This shouldn't be a big issue at all.

So you ignored the fact his employer has no issue with this.

However the main sponsor may have a problem with it. That arguably the most well known and highest profile player in the league wont have the badge on his shirt.

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:07 pm  

Jizzer wrote:

He plays a sport that people gamble on, who's main sponsor is a book maker, many people will likely bet on him exclusively - i.e. how many games he'll actually play! Needs to have a word with himself, fair enough he's got a huge profile but he's starting to take the p*ss a bit with demands.

Looking forward to (hopefully) see him play down at BV towards the back end of the season though, going to be a shock to the system for him

No, he was at Cas on Sunday.

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:14 pm  

newgroundb4wakey wrote:

No, he was at Cas on Sunday.

True

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:23 pm  

RickK wrote:

All he's brought to the table so far is publicity and now added just a bit of controversy on his own personal beliefs. The man needs to shut up and play he's too old to be delaying it we all have principles but we have to compromise constantly in virtually all our daily life.

He's brought plenty of media coverage.
Maybe this is a "clever" publicity stunt ?

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:36 pm  

I believe thats what I said

[PopTart]

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:11 pm  

kobashi wrote:

So what is exactly wrong with SBW position in this if true.

If he doesn't want to wear a shirt promotion a gambling company then I see no reason for people to start ranting and raving about it.

Apparently Toronto have no issue with this so why should any fans? or is gonna be the usual anti-muslim bashing when fans read about this.

Some football clubs. Celtic for example sell football shirts with no sponsorship so Muslim fans or anyone for that matter can buy the shirt without promoting alcohol for example.

This shouldn't be a big issue at all.

So you ignored the fact his employer has no issue with this.

Bet Fred are giving the league money for sponsorship.
If the highest profile player in the league won't back them then they are unlikely to keep doing so.
So yes it's an issue.

Don't bring the Muslim argument into it. That hasn't been raised by anyone on here.

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:08 pm  

PopTart wrote:

Don't bring the Muslim argument into it. That hasn't been raised by anyone on here.

But the "Muslim argument" is entrenched in the debate as it is down to SBW's religious beliefs that he is against wearing the BetFred logo on his shirt. I'll give you a clue as to why, SBW is Muslim

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:23 pm  

financialtimes wrote:

But the "Muslim argument" is entrenched in the debate as it is down to SBW's religious beliefs that he is against wearing the BetFred logo on his shirt. I'll give you a clue as to why, SBW is Muslim

I think he meant the 'anti-muslim' argument. If SBW were to turn round and say he can't play in our league because of the betting sponsorship not agreeing with his beliefs, I'd totally respect him for that. But you can't have your cake and eat it. Either way, the publicity is good for the league I guess so crack on.

Re: Sonny Bill Williams : Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:28 pm  

Jizzer wrote:

I think he meant the 'anti-muslim' argument. If SBW were to turn round and say he can't play in our league because of the betting sponsorship not agreeing with his beliefs, I'd totally respect him for that. But you can't have your cake and eat it. Either way, the publicity is good for the league I guess so crack on.

From the post quoted by pt there is no "anti Muslim" argument, just a statement of fact that celtic market shirts devoid of sponsorship in order to be able to sell them to their Muslim fans, if anything that is in support of the Muslim community and most definitely not negative