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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:57 am  
little wayne69 wrote:
Ah hindsight, a wonderful talent to have at your disposal.


There is absolutely no doubt that the UK was slow off the mark and if you are in charge of running the country, this IS your call.
Not hindsight, it's absolute fact.
It was a judgement call at the time and the judgement was wrong.

We could of course, blame someone else. Boris is VERY good at that.

The really interesting part of all this will be how the huge costs of this situation are paid for.

Austerity / borrowing / tax increases ?
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:15 am  
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There is absolutely no doubt that the UK was slow off the mark and if you are in charge of running the country, this IS your call.
Not hindsight, it's absolute fact.
It was a judgement call at the time and the judgement was wrong.

We could of course, blame someone else. Boris is VERY good at that.

The really interesting part of all this will be how the huge costs of this situation are paid for.

Austerity / borrowing / tax increases ?


However they do it, it’ll certainly hurt the general public more than it will them.
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:22 am  
So broadly speaking the two schools of thought on here are:

A. I think they are doing the best they can. There's no evidence the other side would have done better; and B. They are an indefensible car-crash that you should have all seen coming.

Non Conservative votes are still dumbfounded that the working classes elected a party that (they believe) historically hates them. They are further astonished that everything that has happened since the election has failed to make the working classes regret it.
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:28 am  
Pumpetypump wrote:
So broadly speaking the two schools of thought on here are:

A. I think they are doing the best they can. There's no evidence the other side would have done better; and B. They are an indefensible car-crash that you should have all seen coming.

Non Conservative votes are still dumbfounded that the working classes elected a party that (they believe) historically hates them. They are further astonished that everything that has happened since the election has failed to make the working classes regret it.


I'm not sure that you are right there.

I'd go for those who believe that he (Boris) can do no wrong and those (me included) who believe the bloke to have little beyond self interest and he will ALWAYS return to his core Tory beliefs.

I dont blame him for that, they are embedded in his DNA.

As for could have done better. Damn right, although in the final analysis, we have to be grateful that we dont have Trump in charge.
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 11:46 am  
wrencat1873 wrote:
I'm not sure that you are right there.

I'd go for those who believe that he (Boris) can do no wrong and those (me included) who believe the bloke to have little beyond self interest and he will ALWAYS return to his core Tory beliefs.

I dont blame him for that, they are embedded in his DNA.

As for could have done better. Damn right, although in the final analysis, we have to be grateful that we dont have Trump in charge.


I agree that no one should be surprised by anything he has or will do. The evidence has been in the public gaze for years. It's like electing a Tiger and being annoyed when he bites someone's arm. What I can't quite come to terms with is that the volume of evidence available to us all on his character is somehow cancelled out by his jolly persona to your evarage man and woman on the street. Equally I don't understand why your average person preferred him so overwhelmingly to Corbyn. I'm a lifelong Lib Dem so have more neutrality than some (although I'm not pretending to be bang down the middle). I don't like Corbyn very much but for me it was a choice between a heart-attack (Johnson) or a kick in the nuts (Corbyn). I don't have to want either of them, but it would be better to have a boot in the knackers.
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:06 pm  
Free parking for NHS staff at hospitals to be scrapped now. What a great reward for their efforts.
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:32 pm  
wrencat1873 wrote:
There is absolutely no doubt that the UK was slow off the mark and if you are in charge of running the country, this IS your call.
Not hindsight, it's absolute fact.
It was a judgement call at the time and the judgement was wrong.

We could of course, blame someone else. Boris is VERY good at that.

The really interesting part of all this will be how the huge costs of this situation are paid for.

Austerity / borrowing / tax increases ?

I would have thought that with your insight and knowledge you would actually know, after all you along with three or four more on here you have identified the mistakes and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you sort out this mess.
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:22 pm  
little wayne69 wrote:
I would have thought that with your insight and knowledge you would actually know, after all you along with three or four more on here you have identified the mistakes and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you sort out this mess.


Sadly too late for over 50,000 people who with hindsight would have preferred Johnson not to be the PM
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:33 pm  
little wayne69 wrote:
I would have thought that with your insight and knowledge you would actually know, after all you along with three or four more on here you have identified the mistakes and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you sort out this mess.


I'm flattered that you think that I'm up to it :D
Unlike our current PM, I know that I'm not and I dont make a living from perpetually telling lies and bending the truth to breaking point.

How do you think Brexit will play out ?

Last minute deal or "no deal" ?, certainly not anything close to Boris's "oven ready deal" :oops:

Is this more political paranoia on my part or more "bull" from Boris :CRAZY:
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Re: O/T Politics and Pandemics : Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:44 pm  
Pumpetypump wrote:
A. I think they are doing the best they can. There's no evidence the other side would have done better; and B. They are an indefensible car-crash that you should have all seen coming.


I'd add a C. to that. The paradoxical believers. Those that go to great lengths to defend the government by saying, "it's a new virus and we don't know enough about it to deal with it properly", but also cheerlead the government when they talk about 'world beating systems' to deal with the virus. Do they not know enough about it, or do they know so much about it they can lead the world in combatting it? Which one is it?

I think this hindsight thing is also a load of old tosh. You should always prepare for the worst case scenario. By failing to prepare, you are preparing to fail, and all that. Plenty of health experts were offering advice in the early days, but tribal politics dismissed them as ranting lefties, or loony Corbynites. Check out Prof. John Ashton's Question Time appearance, March 12. It's prescient. Then look at the stick he got on social media and in the press following it. He's like the health expert in a disaster movie who nobody is listening to, until it's far too late.
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