[Chris71]

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:47 am  

Dave K. wrote:

On paper looks a fantastic appointment, but I'd like to know more details from the club, think we all know it's not full time and in a consultancy capacity. Will he be here for pre season training as this is key fir me particularly this year, hopefully ve here at least in person in the middle of the year too.

steve_norton wrote:

This is another example of the club being disingenuous with the fans, not mentioning its very part time and mostly remote. Myler has already started taking pages out of Pearson's playbook.

Why can't they just be honest with us ? Its still a positive but they are just setting more massive expectations from what is a part time, remote appointment.

Reading all the different articles etc on the news of Clarke being brought in to consult, in true Hull FC style its all very ambiguous and open to question/interpretation as usual. You'd have thought with the membership packs now released they'd start to be a bit more open & informative but no.

On the face of it having someone like Clarke being involved is a positive and it does seem as though it will be in both a hands on and remote role throughout the year. I would suspect he will be here in Hull possibly prior to and the start of preseason to get a look at everything and set out/fine tune the plan and instruct the staff. Then I'd imagine he'll go back to Manly and keep a check and advise remotely and tweak things as the year progresses, with the odd visit back over to Hull along the way. Then again it could all be totally different.

Its still positive having Clarke involved but somehow the club through poor communication etc have managed to mess up what should have been a real feel good and positive announcement.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:57 am  

Dave K. wrote: This my concern (and t maybe addressed by bringing in additional people or Ellis taking on a more hands on role). But this is currently our head of performance https://www.hullfc.com/team/first-team/ ... n-davidson And our head of our S&C https://www.hullfc.com/team/first-team/ ... om-bennett Doesn't really fill me with confidence, either of those in the positions they are and they seem to be there as one was a mate of smith and the other because he has been at the club a long time. As you say hopefully someone like Ellis will.be moved into that role, someone who commands respect. If the club have gone out and got someone with a reputation like Clarke on board you'd think the players and coaches would want to take on board what he's saying as he's one of the best at what he does. Imagine working as a chef and your restaurant gets Gordon Ramsey in for a few weeks you'd take notice of what he does and says. Having the likes of Asiata, Rapana and Hardaker around will hopefully help change the mentality of the club and grasp opportunities like this with both hands.

Dave K. wrote: This my concern (and t maybe addressed by bringing in additional people or Ellis taking on a more hands on role). But this is currently our head of performance https://www.hullfc.com/team/first-team/ ... n-davidson And our head of our S&C https://www.hullfc.com/team/first-team/ ... om-bennett Doesn't really fill me with confidence, either of those in the positions they are and they seem to be there as one was a mate of smith and the other because he has been at the club a long time. As you say hopefully someone like Ellis will.be moved into that role, someone who commands respect. If the club have gone out and got someone with a reputation like Clarke on board you'd think the players and coaches would want to take on board what he's saying as he's one of the best at what he does. Imagine working as a chef and your restaurant gets Gordon Ramsey in for a few weeks you'd take notice of what he does and says. Having the likes of Asiata, Rapana and Hardaker around will hopefully help change the mentality of the club and grasp opportunities like this with both hands.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:37 am  

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him here full time eventually. Signed a 3 year deal might have given Manly a year to find a replacement.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:41 am  

The fact Manly have has to put out a statement to explain what is happening to their fans says it all.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 9:43 am  

Also a bit more info from Dan, gives a bit more insight, but not sure how it will work. Suprised Nanly have allowed this.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:18 am  

Dave K. wrote: Also a bit more info from Dan, gives a bit more insight, but not sure how it will work. Suprised Nanly have allowed this. I think the time difference is key here . Sydney is +10 GMT, so FC will be training around 10pm Aus time, so he could remotely monitor the performance of the players live. Data could be sent electronically overnight with and I assume Gaz Ellis will be Head of Performance to ensure the system is implemented. Clarke puts emphasis on types of and when nutrition is consumed see this https://youtu.be/Cxmdek9lyiM?si=FH1P_Xf5NHa1zmlG

Dave K. wrote: Also a bit more info from Dan, gives a bit more insight, but not sure how it will work. Suprised Nanly have allowed this. I think the time difference is key here . Sydney is +10 GMT, so FC will be training around 10pm Aus time, so he could remotely monitor the performance of the players live. Data could be sent electronically overnight with and I assume Gaz Ellis will be Head of Performance to ensure the system is implemented. Clarke puts emphasis on types of and when nutrition is consumed see this https://youtu.be/Cxmdek9lyiM?si=FH1P_Xf5NHa1zmlG

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:36 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Last season Manly started pre season on the 4th November, which must be similar time to us, you have to wonder how much time he will be here, surely Manly aren't going to give him 8 weeks off.

Wouldn't we be better just getting in a new S&C guy fulltime to work with the club face to face all year?

I agree..
Clarke only joined Manly November 2023, so I imagine Manly aren't too thrilled about this consultancy job.
Maybe Clarke will fly in alongside Cartwright, and prepare everything here before , Manlys pre season starts.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:38 am  

Really don't think Clarke being remote is as big of a deal than what some are making of it.

Pretty clear he has put the pre season plan together, coming over to oversee the start and then leave it in the hands of our full-time staff keeping tabs on a part-time basis.

Is, again, frustrating how we have gone about announcing this.

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:39 am  

weaver93 wrote: I think the time difference is key here . Sydney is +10 GMT, so FC will be training around 10pm Aus time, so he could remotely monitor the performance of the players live. Data could be sent electronically overnight with and I assume Gaz Ellis will be Head of Performance to ensure the system is implemented. Clarke puts emphasis on types of and when nutrition is consumed see this https://youtu.be/Cxmdek9lyiM?si=FH1P_Xf5NHa1zmlG While its a rapdily changing world with the technology and things are now more data driven, I do think theres a practical aspect here of how does someone sat in the Manly sunshine know if the squad are following instructions correctly running up hills in the Brantingham frost? Random example but I remember years ago Danny Ward gave an interview that a club he was playing for had started doing weekly weighins and his answer to 'losing' a couple of pounds of water weight was to have a bottle of wine the night before in that example the data would say 'weight = fine' but it woulden't tell a coach on the other side of the world that the player had potentially come in with a hangover (not that 1 bottle of wine would impact a big prop that much however)

weaver93 wrote: I think the time difference is key here . Sydney is +10 GMT, so FC will be training around 10pm Aus time, so he could remotely monitor the performance of the players live. Data could be sent electronically overnight with and I assume Gaz Ellis will be Head of Performance to ensure the system is implemented. Clarke puts emphasis on types of and when nutrition is consumed see this https://youtu.be/Cxmdek9lyiM?si=FH1P_Xf5NHa1zmlG While its a rapdily changing world with the technology and things are now more data driven, I do think theres a practical aspect here of how does someone sat in the Manly sunshine know if the squad are following instructions correctly running up hills in the Brantingham frost? Random example but I remember years ago Danny Ward gave an interview that a club he was playing for had started doing weekly weighins and his answer to 'losing' a couple of pounds of water weight was to have a bottle of wine the night before in that example the data would say 'weight = fine' but it woulden't tell a coach on the other side of the world that the player had potentially come in with a hangover (not that 1 bottle of wine would impact a big prop that much however)

Re: DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings : Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:43 am  

Manly's statement reads that he will be with them for 2025 - it doesn't say he is there beyond that. So I would be happy for 2025 to be consultancy based, and full time for the remaining 2 years