Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:09 pm  

Isaiah wrote:

Wouldn't that then count on this years cap?

I don't think so. I feel sure I read somewhere that if a player is paid off between seasons it doesn't count on either season's cap. Or I could just be making it all up...

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:10 pm  

Standee wrote:

I totally understand the sentiment, however, if it were you or I would an employer go to such expense and pay us a year in advance, he cannot meet the terms and conditions of his contract, therefore why should we pay him up?

Presumably because of the terms & conditions of his contract?

Or should we just ignore any such thing?

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:11 pm  

Standee wrote:

I totally understand the sentiment, however, if it were you or I would an employer go to such expense and pay us a year in advance, he cannot meet the terms and conditions of his contract, therefore why should we pay him up?

Because we entered into a contract with him knowing that this was a possible (likely?) outcome. Also, if the guy had a physical illness (MS, Parkinson's, whatever) would you be calling for his contract to be terminated without any compensation?

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:12 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

Presumably because of the terms & conditions of his contract?

Or should we just ignore any such thing?

Not if it's in the T&C's of his contract, of course not, but would you not agree that we've been bloody naieve if we don't have clauses in our favour to the same extent as players have them in theirs?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:14 pm  

Standee wrote:

I totally understand the sentiment, however, if it were you or I would an employer go to such expense and pay us a year in advance, he cannot meet the terms and conditions of his contract, therefore why should we pay him up?

I see where you're coming from - but what if he had a debilitating physical illness? If it was permanent, then I guess it'd be up to the insurers - but couldn't this be looked at like Richard Moore coming to terms with Crohn's or Horne with his diabetes?

Isaiah wrote:

Wouldn't that then count on this years cap?

Don't think so - see Warrington paying off Hicks. It has to be reviewed (supposedly) to avoid clubs deliberately providing a golden handshake outside the cap, but that clearly wouldn't be an issue.

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:18 pm  

Mild Rover wrote:

I see where you're coming from - but what if he had a debilitating physical illness?.

what would happen to you in your employment, would you employer pay you up x thousand pounds? What if we pay him off and he suddenly recovers and plays for Widnes, do we get recompense?

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:19 pm  

Leave it. Something will be mentioned soon.

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:22 pm  

Baboon wrote:

Leave it. Something will be mentioned soon.

"leave it", no, sorry, there is no reason we should leave it, it's a perfectly valid discussion and nobody is being discourteous or disrespectful of Gleeson, we are simply discussing the complete double standards that operate between the average employee and sports persons.

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:23 pm  

Standee wrote:

what would happen to you in your employment, would you employer pay you up x thousand pounds?

Depending on the terms of your contract, you'd get a certain amount of time on full pay, perhaps some on half pay, before reverting to SSP. You wouldn't get the sack for being ill (unless your employer wanted a few days in court). But then, it's kind of irrelevant what happens in normal employment because professional sportsmen are not employed in the same way as postmen, teachers or cleaners.

Re: Gleeson : Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:24 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

Depending on the terms of your contract, you'd get a certain amount of time on full pay, perhaps some on half pay, before reverting to SSP. You wouldn't get the sack for being ill (unless your employer wanted a few days in court). But then, it's kind of irrelevant what happens in normal employment because professional sportsmen are not employed in the same way as postmen, teachers or cleaners.

you would lose your job eventually, under capability.