Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:55 am  

IR80 wrote:

What he should have said is "we should have been safe in 2nd, I take responsibility for that, the supporters deserve better and we owe it to them to throw everything, including the kitchen sink, at Castleford.We cannot and must not go out with a whimper, if we lose we need to be able to hold our heads high and say we gave it our all. It is a game we can win, ourselves and Castleford are evenly matched. I expect nothing less than 100% from everyone who takes the field on Thursday night. I know the Faithful will be out in force, we need to repay their faith and support."

… a bit like this on the club website 3 days ago....

Looking ahead to next week’s huge fixture in West Yorkshire, Radford added: “It is a missed opportunity (huddersfield game) but there is a lot riding on next weeks game against Castleford now. If we beat them, we probably make the top five going four points ahead of them. But if we lose, we probably miss out. There will be no moping about this result because we have a big one coming up.

“It’s do or die, knock-out rugby. It will be a great occasion given the situation. It’s a great ground to play at and we’ll no doubt take a lot of support. There isn’t much between the two sides so it’s set up to be a thriller.

Edit: If you look at the HDM reporter's twitter account the entry is

'As a sportsman these are what you live for, these opportunities and chances and if you don’t take them there’s only one person to blame.'

He's removed the first 3 words from the HDM headline.

[Chris71]

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:23 am  

ccs wrote:

IR80 wrote:

What he should have said is "we should have been safe in 2nd, I take responsibility for that, the supporters deserve better and we owe it to them to throw everything, including the kitchen sink, at Castleford.We cannot and must not go out with a whimper, if we lose we need to be able to hold our heads high and say we gave it our all. It is a game we can win, ourselves and Castleford are evenly matched. I expect nothing less than 100% from everyone who takes the field on Thursday night. I know the Faithful will be out in force, we need to repay their faith and support."

… a bit like this on the club website 3 days ago....

Looking ahead to next week’s huge fixture in West Yorkshire, Radford added: “It is a missed opportunity (huddersfield game) but there is a lot riding on next weeks game against Castleford now. If we beat them, we probably make the top five going four points ahead of them. But if we lose, we probably miss out. There will be no moping about this result because we have a big one coming up.

“It’s do or die, knock-out rugby. It will be a great occasion given the situation. It’s a great ground to play at and we’ll no doubt take a lot of support. There isn’t much between the two sides so it’s set up to be a thriller.

CCS, Have to say I agree with IR80. There has at no point any admission of responsibility taken by Radford for the poor results/perfomances. In the bit you refer to on the club site no where does he say he demands nothing less than 100%, so basically saying if we win we make the playoffs and if we lose we miss out and no moping about isnt exactly filling me with confidence that he will have them fired up or that he is himself truly motivated, it just all seems too blase as if they're just waiting for the end of the season.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:27 am  

Chris71 wrote:

CCS, Have to say I agree with IR80. There has at no point any admission of responsibility taken by Radford for the poor results/perfomances. In the bit you refer to on the club site no where does he say he demands nothing less than 100%, so basically saying if we win we make the playoffs and if we lose we miss out and no moping about isnt exactly filling me with confidence that he will have them fired up or that he is himself truly motivated, it just all seems too blase as if they're just waiting for the end of the season.

I said it was a bit like, not word for word.

See the edit to my previous post.

And try reading the 1st few paragraph's of Wilf's diary, you'll probably disagree with that as well.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:38 am  

ccs wrote:

… a bit like this on the club website 3 days ago....
Edit: If you look at the HDM reporter's twitter account the entry is

'As a sportsman these are what you live for, these opportunities and chances and if you don’t take them there’s only one person to blame.'

He's removed the first 3 words from the HDM headline.

so, if the players don't take the opportunity it is down to them, nothing to do with Lee?

He has never taken any responsibility.

[Chris71]

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:56 am  

ccs wrote:

Chris71 wrote:

CCS, Have to say I agree with IR80. There has at no point any admission of responsibility taken by Radford for the poor results/perfomances. In the bit you refer to on the club site no where does he say he demands nothing less than 100%, so basically saying if we win we make the playoffs and if we lose we miss out and no moping about isnt exactly filling me with confidence that he will have them fired up or that he is himself truly motivated, it just all seems too blase as if they're just waiting for the end of the season.

I said it was a bit like, not word for word.

See the edit to my previous post.

And try reading the 1st few paragraph's of Wilf's diary, you'll probably disagree with that as well.

WRONG!!! Already read the diary and I do agree with it the players haven't taken the opportunities given to them but neither have the coaching team, it is not just all down to the players. The coaching staff have to shoulder some of the responsibility as they have not performed well as a collective and as a manager/coach that is the number one priority to ensure you get the sum of all parts to be a collective and we look far from that.

Christ if I just let my staff do what they want and perform as they want I'd be out of a job id I can't stop them and get them to do as I and the company want/need as the buck stops with me, why should LR be any different? He has even stated publically he doesn't know what to do and that he can't have a go at them as they wont listen!! Not exactly speaking as the leader/manager, don't get me wrong I like Radford and thought he'd done well in achieving the 2 cup wins but we seem to have reached a plateau with him and not sure he can take us any further unless he gets sufficient assistance.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:10 am  

Chris71 wrote:

WRONG!!! Already read the diary and I do agree with it the players haven't taken the opportunities given to them but neither have the coaching team, it is not just all down to the players.

Don't quite understand the WRONG bit - you agree with the players not having taken the opportunities given to them, but you then blame the coaching team.
Apologies to Wilf if I'm mis-interpreting his words, but he doesn't blame the coach - "what I saw was a group of players who let the owner, the coach and us lot out there on the terraces down …big style".

I assume you don't agree with that last statement.

[Chris71]

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 11:49 am  

ccs wrote:

Chris71 wrote:

WRONG!!! Already read the diary and I do agree with it the players haven't taken the opportunities given to them but neither have the coaching team, it is not just all down to the players.

Don't quite understand the WRONG bit - you agree with the players not having taken the opportunities given to them, but you then blame the coaching team.
Apologies to Wilf if I'm mis-interpreting his words, but he doesn't blame the coach - "what I saw was a group of players who let the owner, the coach and us lot out there on the terraces down …big style".

I assume you don't agree with that last statement.

Its not that difficult, 'wrong' as in your assumption I would disagree with the first few paragraphs of the diary.

Also whilst I can agree the players did indeed let the owner, the coach and fans down against Huddersfield. However as much as I agree with that I also don't think it is just as easy as to say its all the players fault. It is LR & AL job as the coaching team to have the players prepped and ready to go and to solve and rectify the issues that are blighting the performances. These have been going on for well over a season and yet again we are scrambling to make the play offs. You can't just shove all the blame on the players as if to say 'it aint me guv honest'

Like I said its LR's job to get the best out of what he has and it clear to see he isn't doing so consistently at all.

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 12:29 pm  

ccs wrote:

Don't quite understand the WRONG bit - you agree with the players not having taken the opportunities given to them, but you then blame the coaching team.
Apologies to Wilf if I'm mis-interpreting his words, but he doesn't blame the coach - "what I saw was a group of players who let the owner, the coach and us lot out there on the terraces down …big style".

I assume you don't agree with that last statement.

Might be wrong, but I get the feeling Wilf doesn’t think radford is the man for the job anymore either

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:15 pm  

I don't usually comment because I get myself into all sorts of trouble but this is a really interesting discussion

Can I just say that its very flattering that you quote the Diary and thanks as always to everyone for supporting it but in the end it is only one fans view and often wide of the mark as Rovers fans regularly point out, what's more its usually written straight after the game so the views are pretty raw.

However even now on reflection I have to admit that after the last two games I do feel let down by the players. It's not about skill or ability but about effort and demeanour and it has to be their responsibility to realise and interpret by their actions the importance of such games as these last two were. If it looks to us lot like they can't be arsed however much they protest that they can, there has to be an element of truth in it, because in sport actions speak louder than words.

I don't think that anyone can say that isn't true for they have to at least appear as enthusiastic as we all are! However, and its a big however, when I said this week ……...

Our players have let us down in the last two games and however you try and dress that up, it’s a fact!! Mentally they are just not at the races and although I always shy away from Coach bashing I’m sure Lee himself realizes that the mental state that the players enter the field in, has to be down to their preparation and understanding of the situation. They look as if they don’t care and once the crazy desperate stuff starts with the ball in their quarter, no one seems capable of steadying it down. although I’m sure they do care, as I have often said it all seems a bit too cosy and comfortable for some of them at our club at present.

Then its a corporate responsibility and I think I'm trying to say that in my opinion if they are ill prepared mentally and don't appear to us to want it enough or even as much as we do in such critical situations, then their preparation and mental coaching is not working and if that is going wrong and some do appear too comfortable at times with their status in the team, then it is down to the Coaching staff to make sure that isn't happening. Skills training is all fine but mental preparation is so important as I think we saw with Huddersfield this week.

I don't want to get into long diatribes about the Diary because it is just an opinion and as I say just my thoughts as an ordinary long suffering fan.

That's my two penneth anyway and you know You can usually detect the mood in camp by what comes out and what you hear and I think I quite fancy us on Thursday now!

Re: No Lee, rhis isn't what we "live for' : Tue Sep 03, 2019 2:21 pm  

MorningGlory23 wrote:

Might be wrong, but I get the feeling Wilf doesn’t think radford is the man for the job anymore either

Wilf would never openly criticise unless someone was seriously out of their depth, I suspect he agrees that Lee could use some assistance in certain areas, but Wilf, I am certain, will keep his cou sel on what he thinks, at least for the time being.