Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:29 am  

Give Reece a go. Naughton and maybe even Lancaster. Green in for watts and put frank back on the bench

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:34 am  

unknownlegend wrote:

Dave, I heard his absence last week was nothing to do with being "injured".

Perhaps he felt he should start and perhaps he thought he could do a better job than the starting forwards and perhaps our coach didn't agree and perhaps he was left on so we could all see what he could do. But that's only my thoughts of course and perhaps they are a bit scewed as I'm b*ggered this morning! He was certainly on much too long for me however! Ellis the only one who came out of it with any credibility for me I'm afraid!

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:35 am  

He should have played Yeaman in the Centres . Carlos to standoff .
Abdull now where near ready.

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:38 am  

Yeaman had concussion and had a mandatory 7 days off otherwise he might have!

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:02 am  

Rather than posting straight after the game last night, in a state of utter embarrassment and disappointment after what I'd just watched, I thought I'd sleep on it in an effort to make a more balanced post. But even this morning it's pretty difficult. No Hull FC side should ever have 46 points put past them, it's simply unacceptable.

I think last night was a combination of two things;

- Firstly, most of the players were awful. Some really lazy defence, one side of the line moving up and the other static, shirt-pulling, awful reads. Attack was sloppy, kicking game almost non-existent, slow and easy to read plays.

- Secondly, I think our tactics have been figured out by the opposition. The first two games we were an unknown quantity to a degree & streamrolled Salford & Catalans. But since then, sides have realised they aren't beating us up the middle and are getting their fast men on the ball more, spreading the ball wide, kicking early etc, and I don't think we have a plan B. That's down to Radford & his coaching team.


I said before the season starts that I give Radford until after Easter Monday, which would be 8 games in (Salford, Cats, Cas, Wigan, Widnes, Wakey, Rovers & Warrington), a third of the regular season. That's a pretty favourable fixture list to start the season, and we should be looking at a 6 wins.

Obviously 6 wins from 8 is unachievable now, and Radford doesn't have the excuse of a decimated squad hit by injuries like Hudds, Rovers or Leeds.

Do we do what Rovers did, cut our losses and get rid now, or do we persevere for 3/4 more games and see if Radford & the players can regain some form? I think Pearson will do the latter. Jake summed the situation up at the start of the thread, if Radford does go, you can guarantee Richard Horne will be coach at least until the end of the season.

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:10 am  

Fair points made there

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:21 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Rather than posting straight after the game last night, in a state of utter embarrassment and disappointment after what I'd just watched, I thought I'd sleep on it in an effort to make a more balanced post. But even this morning it's pretty difficult. No Hull FC side should ever have 46 points put past them, it's simply unacceptable.

I think last night was a combination of two things;

- Firstly, most of the players were awful. Some really lazy defence, one side of the line moving up and the other static, shirt-pulling, awful reads. Attack was sloppy, kicking game almost non-existent, slow and easy to read plays.

- Secondly, I think our tactics have been figured out by the opposition. The first two games we were an unknown quantity to a degree & streamrolled Salford & Catalans. But since then, sides have realised they aren't beating us up the middle and are getting their fast men on the ball more, spreading the ball wide, kicking early etc, and I don't think we have a plan B. That's down to Radford & his coaching team.


I said before the season starts that I give Radford until after Easter Monday, which would be 8 games in (Salford, Cats, Cas, Wigan, Widnes, Wakey, Rovers & Warrington), a third of the regular season. That's a pretty favourable fixture list to start the season, and we should be looking at a 6 wins.

Obviously 6 wins from 8 is unachievable now, and Radford doesn't have the excuse of a decimated squad hit by injuries like Hudds, Rovers or Leeds.

Do we do what Rovers did, cut our losses and get rid now, or do we persevere for 3/4 more games and see if Radford & the players can regain some form? I think Pearson will do the latter. Jake summed the situation up at the start of the thread, if Radford does go, you can guarantee Richard Horne will be coach at least until the end of the season.

Good post . Sums it up . Found out , caught Salford and Cats cold .
No playmaker , no plan B . Old Bradford Bulls tactics won't cut it .

[Kosh]

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:41 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Rather than posting straight after the game last night, in a state of utter embarrassment and disappointment after what I'd just watched, I thought I'd sleep on it in an effort to make a more balanced post. But even this morning it's pretty difficult. No Hull FC side should ever have 46 points put past them, it's simply unacceptable.

I think last night was a combination of two things;

- Firstly, most of the players were awful. Some really lazy defence, one side of the line moving up and the other static, shirt-pulling, awful reads. Attack was sloppy, kicking game almost non-existent, slow and easy to read plays.

- Secondly, I think our tactics have been figured out by the opposition. The first two games we were an unknown quantity to a degree & streamrolled Salford & Catalans. But since then, sides have realised they aren't beating us up the middle and are getting their fast men on the ball more, spreading the ball wide, kicking early etc, and I don't think we have a plan B. That's down to Radford & his coaching team.


I said before the season starts that I give Radford until after Easter Monday, which would be 8 games in (Salford, Cats, Cas, Wigan, Widnes, Wakey, Rovers & Warrington), a third of the regular season. That's a pretty favourable fixture list to start the season, and we should be looking at a 6 wins.

Obviously 6 wins from 8 is unachievable now, and Radford doesn't have the excuse of a decimated squad hit by injuries like Hudds, Rovers or Leeds.

Do we do what Rovers did, cut our losses and get rid now, or do we persevere for 3/4 more games and see if Radford & the players can regain some form? I think Pearson will do the latter. Jake summed the situation up at the start of the thread, if Radford does go, you can guarantee Richard Horne will be coach at least until the end of the season.

The only slight caveat I'd make is that Ellis explicitly stated that they failed to follow Radford's plan for last night. Now whether he meant tactics or something else I don't know but the players are clearly not doing what Radford wants them to do for some reason. That's not absolving Radford of responsibility, just shifting the focus of his failure slightly.

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:49 am  

Kosh wrote:

Comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it?

The key word is 'available'. The best coaches aren't available. Is there someone available who'd do a better job than Radford? Almost certainly, but that's a VERY low bar.

I'd love us to kick Radford out and bring in a top coach. I just don't see where one would come from right now.

Hell - I'd settle for us kicking Radford out and bringing in a DECENT coach. Which might be more realistic short term.

Spot on that's exactly what Hull need to. Total clear out including Last and Horne and conditioner. Bring in a good coach temporary while we bide our time for the right one to come along.

Re: Enough is Enough : Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:51 am  

It appeared to me that the game plan was good, but we couldn't stick to it. Whether it was the disallowed tries or the nature of sucker punch response tries to those decisions, we could see the game plan unravel in front of our eyes. We just CANNOT stick to the plan once we are rattled.....and then we look extremely ordinary.

But its the nature of the defeat that is so hard to take, especially after the huge early feel good factor which makes it even harder to take and understand.
The nature of this defeat will have pressed Pearsons worry button. He's got the future of the club in his hands and a lot of his cash too so he'll be looking at things from a different perspective to us.
I'm sure he'll have Radders in the office to let him know how the land lies, he'll be given targets to achieve to save his job.
Its serious.
I believe Pearson via Motu will be sounding out the Market even now. I believe Radford needs 2 wins from 3 , it may even require 3 from 3 to give himself a chance. Radders is in last chance saloon at the moment.

His game plan has stops working too easily, I think theres more to this than meets the eye. The club amazingly has found itself at a crossroads of its own making, 3 games ago heroes, 3 games later zero's. This could really only happen at Hull FC.

The results and performances will show us whether he has lost the dressing room or not. If he's lost them we'll have a new coach in place by May. I don't think Pearson will hang around.
I believed Radders was good enough to lead us to Silverware and believed we had a team to bring back the glory days, but the evidence is perhaps that despite the early promise, maybe the players are not so sure he's the man to do this. If this proves to be the case Pearson will surely act.
The jury is now out for me on whether the players are good enough, I still think they can be, but something most odd has happened to this group, who looked the "real deal" as Cookie said after the Cats game.
Its a funny old game.