Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:15 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Reading what Mrs B is actually saying for a moment...

She's not saying Pearson is blameless for that the situation the club finds itself in, or that this is somehow the fans' fault.

She's saying that whatever has gone on in the past, whatever errors or fk ups that have been made, the club is where it is, which financially isn't looking too pretty. Her view is that it's more beneficial to the club to back it and support it and ensure that the club have the funds to compete, than it is to withdraw your money and support. Nobody is being told what to do with their money and time, that's their prerogative.

My view is that the club finds itself in this position partly due to Pearson and partly due to the old regime. Basically for the last 8 years or so there's been a string of dire decisions. The general fan apathy started all the way back during the Agar years after 2005-6 looked so promising. Our youth system pretty much dried up from under investment under the old regime. Pearson has made some massive errors with recruitment, he's been arrogant, mouthy and taken some really bad advice. All this has contributed to the situation and here we are.

We're all disappointed, we know we should have seen a lot more success of the back of 2005 & 2006, and we know we should be in a much better situation than we are at the moment. But, I think it's always better to look forwards than it is to look backwards.

Agree with pretty much all of that.

For me Pearson has not yet walked the walk and his talk hasn't worked. I'd still rather he was here than the old board though.

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:42 am  

Chris28 wrote:

For me Pearson has not yet walked the walk and his talk hasn't worked. I'd still rather he was here than the old board though.

Agree, he stated that finishing in the 8 was not success, and then we promptly finish in 8th. We can't say he hasn't spent money, but has he spent it wisely. Is a team of Motu Tony, Lee Radford, Last and Horne giving him the advice and ideas he needs, it appears not in some cases, I think we need a D.O.R (and not bloody Noble!), Peacock going to KR could see them shine in the next few years, but, as always, who is there. Wire, Salford, Huddersfield, paid out and won nothing.

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 10:58 am  

HullFC_1865 wrote:

Agree, he stated that finishing in the 8 was not success, and then we promptly finish in 8th.

Not sure what your point is? Nobody from the club, or fans on this board have called an 8th place finish a success. Making the 8 was a bare minimum the club set itself I imagine, and ultimately still disappointing.

HullFC_1865 wrote:

We can't say he hasn't spent money, but has he spent it wisely.

The training ground and youth - yes. The Willie Manu thing was out of his hands. The rest, certainly not wisely and his fault.

HullFC_1865 wrote:

Is a team of Motu Tony, Lee Radford, Last and Horne giving him the advice and ideas he needs, it appears not in some cases, I think we need a D.O.R (and not bloody Noble!), Peacock going to KR could see them shine in the next few years, but, as always, who is there. Wire, Salford, Huddersfield, paid out and won nothing.

Motu Tony (judging him from the signings we've been able to make for this season and next) I think is doing a fairly good job so far, compared to the past 7/8 seasons.

The coaching team (and I'm trying not to deviate into a Radford bashing thread) is very inexperienced. I've mentioned a few times the need for an attacking coach and we'd all bring in a new head coach if we had the opportunity.

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:16 am  

all someone else's fault

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:17 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

I've mentioned a few times the need for an attacking coach and we'd all bring in a new head coach if we had the opportunity.

And a sports psychologist

And Mr Motivator!

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:19 am  

HullFC_1865 wrote:

all someone else's fault

A cracking contribution Martin.

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:22 am  

Jake the Peg wrote:

It is bleating and it's boring. Neither you or I know what the drop in income is, any more than we know what the drop in costs is over the same period but I do remember you telling us a while back that we only made a small operating loss in 2014. Crowds aren't significantly down since then but we seem to have shed a fair amount of cost in salaries so I'd assume it's reasonable to expect a no dissimilar financial performance for 2015.

Maybe you can give your professional view on the additional savings being made on the academy and the increase in SKY income for 2015 or doesn't your myopia allow you to bring any balance to your posts?

Merchandise sales were reckoned to be around ~£1ma year. Given the drop off in attendances (reported and/or actual), I’d be surprised if that has been sustained. Costs associated with the SMC are increasing year on year. We had an overseas camp this season, but didn’t the year before. We’ve pushed the U19s/academy to 3rd this year, perhaps that hasn’t been cheap. So if pass sales are down vs 2014, actual/reported attendances are down, sponsorship is down, tenancy/training costs are up, it doesn’t take much extrapolation to see any Sky benefit cancelled out. Reducing the number of staff will help balance the books in the short term, of course, but may compromise the club’s effectiveness in several areas. I don't think the academy savings will kick in until next season.

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:23 am  

OmneFC wrote:

In terms of the "Hull Fc" brand, it is very damaging to say that you are in financial difficulty. This would be a particularly risky move if it wasnt true, a key problem would be that you might struggle to attract sponsors who wouldnt want to be associated with a sinking ship.

I doubt that any owner of a business with a noticeable brand would lie about financial insecurity for a potential gain - it just doesnt work that way.

I agree.

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:27 am  

Tinkerman23 wrote:

Completely understand what your saying, its a good post. But I don't think its what Pearson as done, what people get sick of, is him implying that he as financial problems, followed by talk of season passes etc. Don't get me wrong, I do actually appreciate what Pearson as put into Hull fc, and continues to do. And I will continue to support. Just getting a bit tired of him and the ways he goes about things. And he does bring a lot of it on himself IE His stupid blind faith in Radford (Apologies to those who think ive just turned this into another Radford BASHING thread)

I'll continue my support of Hull fc and so will most! I don't need guilt tripping into supporting the club by Pearson and Mrs B

I agree with this post, apart from the last bit. No one's guilt tripping anyone. If someone is 100% convinced that withdrawing financial support of the club at this time is completely in the best interests of the club, how or why would they feel guilty? That makes no sense.

Re: westerman : Fri Oct 09, 2015 11:31 am  

Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:

Reading what Mrs B is actually saying for a moment...

She's not saying Pearson is blameless for that the situation the club finds itself in, or that this is somehow the fans' fault.

She's saying that whatever has gone on in the past, whatever errors or fk ups that have been made, the club is where it is, which financially isn't looking too pretty. Her view is that it's more beneficial to the club to back it and support it and ensure that the club have the funds to compete, than it is to withdraw your money and support. Nobody is being told what to do with their money and time, that's their prerogative.

My view is that the club finds itself in this position partly due to Pearson and partly due to the old regime. Basically for the last 8 years or so there's been a string of dire decisions. The general fan apathy started all the way back during the Agar years after 2005-6 looked so promising. Our youth system pretty much dried up from under investment under the old regime. Pearson has made some massive errors with recruitment, he's been arrogant, mouthy and taken some really bad advice. All this has contributed to the situation and here we are.

We're all disappointed, we know we should have seen a lot more success of the back of 2005 & 2006, and we know we should be in a much better situation than we are at the moment. But, I think it's always better to look forwards than it is to look backwards.

Completely agree.