Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:39 am  

The opening set of 6 set the tone for us for the rest of the match, bad passing, struggling to get out of our 20-30m line, it's obvious how badly we need more size and aggression in the pack. A pack containing too many lightweights like fash, cator, lovodua and lane...and then having two hookers on at the same time with the best of the two playing at 13 won't worry many teams in the league.

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 7:50 am  

Hullrealist wrote:

Think people are been a bit harsh on Litten, Connors 40/20 was sublime and their kicking game was clever. They chose to kick short and make it a contest and he gave a good account of himself in regards to that.

He’s a definitely a running threat but at the minute doesn’t offer much hall playing ability.

Also Joey clearly isn’t good enough but it’s ludicrous to focus on him for yesterday’s performance. He’s a hooker that can play second row. He’s had to jump into the centres in a poor side.

We’re just not an honest side, they need to stop trying to cut corners. Sometimes it’s better to play through a team/enjoy the arm wrestle than try play round them

The bit I underlined highlights the poor choices that Clifford makes when he kicks. Its always straight down the pitch and he never seems to attempt a 40/20. I'm not bagging him as such as I believe he's a very good player and offers a lot to the team, its just this thing that irks me.

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:14 am  

That was one of the most mediocre games of rugby I have ever seen. Mostly in the middle of the pitch and the difference was Giants couple of 40:20s allowing them to build a bit of pressure. There was so little sustained pressure from either side even the defence was nothing to get excited about. Giants deservedly won. Trueman should be fined for his stupidity.

[Chris71]

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:24 am  

Steve0 wrote:

The opening set of 6 set the tone for us for the rest of the match, bad passing, struggling to get out of our 20-30m line, it's obvious how badly we need more size and aggression in the pack. A pack containing too many lightweights like fash, cator, lovodua and lane...and then having two hookers on at the same time with the best of the two playing at 13 won't worry many teams in the league.

Agree the opening to the game with that sloppy and awful pass and players just looking at each other to collect it showed the players just weren't switched on at all, we've seen it enough over the years. Though usually that lead on to a hammering but at least under Smith there is resolve to dig in within the team when things aren't going so well instead of just giving up.

It certainly didn't help losing Sutcliffe and Scott in the 2nd half. As you say size and aggression has been a big issue for us since even before the start of the season further compounded by not replacing Evans and also Griffins subsequent ban and release.

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:22 am  

It was weird as you found a 10-15 minute period in the first half when you scored twice which was the blueprint to play against Huddersfield, they aren’t a fast team or upwardly mobile team so keeping it alive with runners off shoulders and offloads work well, they have plenty of defenders not interested in doing the little things well.

Then you completely moved away from it and didn’t build any pressure what so ever.

Trueman - great assist but other than that thought he was dire. Satae looked like he was unplayable against cas and then utilised all wrong last night. Just felt a weird performance like it was a pre season try stuff and see, which isn’t that uncommon under a TS coaches team to be fair

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:29 am  

mean_machine wrote:

It was weird as you found a 10-15 minute period in the first half when you scored twice which was the blueprint to play against Huddersfield, they aren’t a fast team or upwardly mobile team so keeping it alive with runners off shoulders and offloads work well, they have plenty of defenders not interested in doing the little things well.

Then you completely moved away from it and didn’t build any pressure what so ever.

Trueman - great assist but other than that thought he was dire. Satae looked like he was unplayable against cas and then utilised all wrong last night. Just felt a weird performance like it was a pre season try stuff and see, which isn’t that uncommon under a TS coaches team to be fair

Decent post, think it went wrong when Dywer went to 9, lost all structure.

Pack is still our problem, Halfbacks can't play behind a pack that doesn't lay the platform, no forward made more
metres than Trueman last night other than Cator.

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:08 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Decent post, think it went wrong when Dywer went to 9, lost all structure.

Pack is still our problem, Halfbacks can't play behind a pack that doesn't lay the platform, no forward made more
metres than Trueman last night other than Cator.

And Dave unfortunately this is our problem, although the heart showed in almost all games by Fash, Lane, Cator cannot be questioned this trio of players while all playing together, will never trouble teams, especially in games which define your season, and without Griffin now as well. In a good side perhaps one of these lads gets a bench spot,

Last night during the warm up, Andre looked totally disinterested, then maybe I read to much into these things, the game was really poor with few coming out with credit, I’ve not watched it back yet, and probably won’t lol, but regarding the Truey incident which sort of did for us, was this a penalty as was awarded, or should it have been a scrum, as he knocked on, I’ll maybe fast forward to that incident as I missed it.

As an aside what on earth is up with JJB as his trousers seem to be giving him some discomfort, I suppose after some good performances we was due a poor one, let’s hope we can energise for Wakey, give a couple of young guns a debut maybe.

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:13 am  

Riderofthepalehorse wrote:

And Dave unfortunately this is our problem, although the heart showed in almost all games by Fash, Lane, Cator cannot be questioned this trio of players while all playing together, will never trouble teams, especially in games which define your season, and without Griffin now as well. In a good side perhaps one of these lads gets a bench spot,

Last night during the warm up, Andre looked totally disinterested, then maybe I read to much into these things, the game was really poor with few coming out with credit, I’ve not watched it back yet, and probably won’t lol, but regarding the Truey incident which sort of did for us, was this a penalty as was awarded, or should it have been a scrum, as he knocked on, I’ll maybe fast forward to that incident as I missed it.

As an aside what on earth is up with JJB as his trousers seem to be giving him some discomfort, I suppose after some good performances we was due a poor one, let’s hope we can energise for Wakey, give a couple of young guns a debut maybe.

Definitely a penalty on Trueman, no idea what he was doing.

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 11:25 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Definitely a penalty on Trueman, no idea what he was doing.

Absolutely stupid thing to do

Just knocked the ball out of their players hands.

No way he would get away with it.

Re: Huddersfield Giants - Away : Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:00 pm  

McFc wrote:

Can't see what the fuss is about with Litten. If he is the future we are in trouble . Same with Cator offers nothing to the team. Like many threads that have been posted the pack has got to be the weakest we have ever had in Super League.

It's depressing going from minchello manu and Ellis as our back 3

To now savelio lane fash/cator