Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:15 pm  

RockNRolla wrote:

Whilst there has been some overreactions as usual, the defence is a worry. We have 5 players in the top 20 missed tackles already.

Jordan Lane has been very poor for a while now. 3rd most missed tackles in the league last season and he's picked up from where he left off last season.

Needs to be dropped along with Mcintosh. Hopefully Mitch will be fit for next week and Dwyer is an impact player.

On another note, we are still gelling with a new spine, combinations etc and we ran in to a red hot Catalan side in which it sounded like everything come off for them.
Not an excuse but the there in back in a day doesn't sound the best preparation especially with such an early flight. They must have been up at 4/5 am yesterday morning to travel to Leeds/Bradford.

i agree defence is a worry and we can now see why Dwyer was released by Leeds.No doubting his attacking flair but defence is shocking and once a player is through that gap its normally try time.
My other concern is about the lack of aggression in our play whether its running with the ball or defending.Our forwards in particular need to show much more aggression when carrying the ball and making a tackle.Smith has already remarked about our poor tackling technique allowing too many offloads so its a major area we need to improve.
Expect to see several changes for Salford.
Houghton definitely will be back

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:47 pm  

pmarrow wrote:

Every club he leaves is always in a better position then when he took over.

Yes Rovers were 11th when Tony took over and 3 years later when he was sacked we were 10th. Thank you Danny McGuire for getting the team re-energised and back up to 8th. And of course for 4-36.

Tony Smith is yesterday's man and Rovers probably wrung out the last dregs of his good years.

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:52 pm  

His Bobness wrote:

Yes Rovers were 11th when Tony took over and 3 years later when he was sacked we were 10th. Thank you Danny McGuire for getting the team re-energised and back up to 8th. And of course for 4-36.

Tony Smith is yesterday's man and Rovers probably wrung out the last dregs of his good years.

Just glossing over the fact he took you from relegation fodder to a play off team in 2 seasons.

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sat Mar 04, 2023 8:42 pm  

Everyone is so quick to pile on McIntosh and are quick to ignore the positives he shows

Against Leeds he made a fantastic chase back and stopped a certain try and against Catalan he made another top defensive read which stopped a try.

Any try that goes down his wing he gets the blame for. For example I’ve seen so many people slagging him off for Catalans first try.

If you think he’s to blame you simply don’t understand rugby. I’m not sure if it’s TS for us to defend so narrowly but we do. For Catalan if anyone is to blame its Jordan Lane. He is too slow to pull across which means Ben Mac is stuck to the back rower and Catalan get a simple 3 on 2. Any SL side should score in that situation.

Changes that need to be mate are:

Carlos for Scott. Not because Scott has let side down but because Carlos is just integral.

Savelio for lane. Better carrier off ball and better defensively.

Trueman for Ben Mac. Benny just can’t influence a game enough. Can catch and pass but not impact game enough imo. (Needs must whilst Jake is out)

Then from there we should be solid and have a pretty decent season. Just need an extra Second Row & Prop on top of what we have for next season I think

Ellis is a legend but at what point do we start to think that he’s not up to it as a defensive coach

[Chris71]

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:16 pm  

mwindass wrote:

Just glossing over the fact he took you from relegation fodder to a play off team in 2 seasons.

Definitely seems to suffer from selective memory

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sun Mar 05, 2023 6:56 am  

I dont get how Ellis cops the blame, surely the players have to be accountable for poor defence as their on the pitch.

Its been pointed out about the upper body grabby technique against Cas , yet lo and behold certain players carried on with it against Leeds.

If players arnt listening to coachs and changing their ways, you generally replace them........

Jordan Lane prime example, needs to buck up or be shipped out.

[Chris71]

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:43 am  

Rocknrolla69er wrote:

I dont get how Ellis cops the blame, surely the players have to be accountable for poor defence as their on the pitch.

Its been pointed out about the upper body grabby technique against Cas , yet lo and behold certain players carried on with it against Leeds.

If players arnt listening to coachs and changing their ways, you generally replace them........

Jordan Lane prime example, needs to buck up or be shipped out.

In Smiths post game comments after the Cats game that’s one of the things he spoke about in regards the tackling efforts/techniques “It’s really hard to get a foothold, particularly when you’re making as many errors as we were and then poor defence and defensive reads/contacts. Our hit and stick was way off there tonight. Not only did it mean an attempt at tackle, it meant two or three attempts of a tackle in one play and that hurt us”.
The positive is we have an experienced Coach who has been there, seen it and done and won’t accept that from the players and will let them know.
We all know this season is about making the necessary changes to the fabric of the team rather than mounting any sort of challenge. I can see a raft of comings and going’s before the 2024 season starts.

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:33 pm  

Chris71 wrote:

In Smiths post game comments after the Cats game that’s one of the things he spoke about in regards the tackling efforts/techniques “It’s really hard to get a foothold, particularly when you’re making as many errors as we were and then poor defence and defensive reads/contacts. Our hit and stick was way off there tonight. Not only did it mean an attempt at tackle, it meant two or three attempts of a tackle in one play and that hurt us”.
The positive is we have an experienced Coach who has been there, seen it and done and won’t accept that from the players and will let them know.
We all know this season is about making the necessary changes to the fabric of the team rather than mounting any sort of challenge. I can see a raft of comings and going’s before the 2024 season starts.

He said a few months ago in a radio interview he's not the coach that has a pop at the players

So he won't do that

But he should cause although we're 2 from 3 we wasn't far off losing all 3

And playing likes of mcintosh and lane despite been terrible is a bit of concern

[Chris71]

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:03 pm  

Thetalentboy wrote:

He said a few months ago in a radio interview he's not the coach that has a pop at the players

So he won't do that

But he should cause although we're 2 from 3 we wasn't far off losing all 3

And playing likes of mcintosh and lane despite been terrible is a bit of concern

Yet he acknowledged he’d said a few things to the players at half time against Cas which he said possibly took some of the wind out their sails. I doubt he isn’t going to address things with the players and hearing from players who’ve played under him have all said although he likes to have fun he tells it as it is.

As for playing Lane & McIntosh who would you suggest he put in instead when already missing the likes of Savelio, Sao, Carlos and injuries to some of the fringe players along with Mitch still recovering. So no real surprise that they’ve stayed in the 17

Re: Catalans away - Benidorm dash : Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:18 am  

4th worst defence in the league currently (behind Wakey, cas and Leeds) hopefully smith sorts it out soon!