Re: Saints away : Mon May 16, 2022 7:49 pm  

bonaire wrote:

We all have opinions but the problem on here is the gang culture and with respect you are one of them who love to gang up on certain posters because you dont agree with something said.
Talentboy has his opinions, a bit strong on Houghton but then again there have been many on here who have criticised Houghton previously and keep saying we need a nine who can quicken the play the ball and make breaks from dummy half rather than just a tackle machine.
He does however have a point about Connor and whilst he his a great ball player its evident now that his lack of pace,poor defence and the inability to be able to back up line breaks like most full backs now do far outweigh Connors positive at linking in the attacking line.
When looking at fast full backs like French,Field,Evalds and Tomkins they are always there to back up line breaks and use their pace to make their own line breaks, so this is an area in my opinion the club must make a priority after signing Trueman.
A Connor/Trueman halfback combination could work but Hodgson seems to very stubborn about leaving Connor at Full back and i think this would be a mistake for next season as we really need some pace injecting into the team.

Oh I agree we all have different opinions. Gang up bit strong IMO. Yes I cannot understand people just slagging hull off at every opportunity. As a supporter I call players etc but not all the time. There is some that only post when we are losing all over the forum like a rash. Win and nothing. Now I just don't get that. Continually having a go at players coaches and the club in general to me seems odd. Again I agree with you we all have opinions

Re: Saints away : Mon May 16, 2022 8:31 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

Only way to find out is to give them a chance.

Thewlis is about the same age as Hookem and Litten and played nearly 30 games.

At a similar age Mikey Lewis and Lewis Dodd where starting to play first team.

We have to start trusting in our youth and this is ate only chancery start competing IMO.

Whilst I’m all for giving our youth a chance, it’s interesting that those three Lewis, Dodd, and Thewlis are all injured, Dodd with a serious injury, you can also refer to Newman, Macnamara, Walker on numerous occasions, this athletic fast game which has evolved, certainly takes it toll, Cam Scott, Cator, and a host of other quite young players are breaking down.

As I said I’m always for promoting youth, but possibly the clammer for Litten & Hookem is two we need not rush, a couple of games here and there will be positives in the next stage of their careers, ala young Balmforth, obviously the exception to the rule this season has been the tremendous emergence of Connor Wynne, but let’s not forget Connor under Radders made his debut at fullback, and after some fine displays lost his way a little.

Think we are going to have to stick with halves Gale & Reynolds this season, as there probably isn’t a better alternative at present.

Re: Saints away : Mon May 16, 2022 9:24 pm  

Riderofthepalehorse wrote:

Whilst I’m all for giving our youth a chance, it’s interesting that those three Lewis, Dodd, and Thewlis are all injured, Dodd with a serious injury, you can also refer to Newman, Macnamara, Walker on numerous occasions, this athletic fast game which has evolved, certainly takes it toll, Cam Scott, Cator, and a host of other quite young players are breaking down.

As I said I’m always for promoting youth, but possibly the clammer for Litten & Hookem is two we need not rush, a couple of games here and there will be positives in the next stage of their careers, ala young Balmforth, obviously the exception to the rule this season has been the tremendous emergence of Connor Wynne, but let’s not forget Connor under Radders made his debut at fullback, and after some fine displays lost his way a little.

Think we are going to have to stick with halves Gale & Reynolds this season, as there probably isn’t a better alternative at present.

Agree, Reynolds and gale need to be given a decent stint together, completely understand people not wanting to, but also think both deserve the chance to prove us wannabe coaches wrong

Re: Saints away : Tue May 17, 2022 2:16 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Carlos, Connor and even Houghton aren't our biggest issue.

Halfback is the massive issue, Reynolds added another 6 missed tackles to his talley, I wouldn't mind if he offered anything in attack, but he is shocking, certainly one of if not the worst signings we have made in SL. I wouldn't play him again, we would gain so much more from playing Litten or Hookem.

Added to this Lovodua would whilst done a decent job at 6, it's not his position.

Gale has been Ok, but the bans haven't helped. He should be in this week, but if he doesn't perform, may as well not play him either.

Time to start looking to the future and trying out these bigged up youngsters liek Wigan and Saints would do and stop playing these under performing players.

If Hodgson can't see this, then he isn't the man to take Hull forward IMO.

For mine, this is not a player issue, it's a structure/system issue.
We've had countless 6's & 7's , and yet , the team are devoid of any support runners, no player runs from depth, ball is passed slowly across the line, in a nutshell... basic Rugby League.
'When' Gale has played, he's looked ok to me, he's last play options have been poor..
I'd be interested in the views of @Tarquin Fuego on this matter.

Re: Saints away : Tue May 17, 2022 7:02 am  

weaver93 wrote:

For mine, this is not a player issue, it's a structure/system issue.
We've had countless 6's & 7's , and yet , the team are devoid of any support runners, no player runs from depth, ball is passed slowly across the line, in a nutshell... basic Rugby League.
'When' Gale has played, he's looked ok to me, he's last play options have been poor..
I'd be interested in the views of @Tarquin Fuego on this matter.

I think it's a bit of both, from 2017 to 2021 we had Shaul, Kelly and Sneyd as our main pivots, two of those aren't very creative with the ball in hand and passing is poor.

Now we have two aging halfbacks who keep getting banned.

Add in a Croft, Lomax or Cust, outer attacking play would be much better.

Re: Saints away : Tue May 17, 2022 2:28 pm  

Dave K. wrote:

I think it's a bit of both, from 2017 to 2021 we had Shaul, Kelly and Sneyd as our main pivots, two of those aren't very creative with the ball in hand and passing is poor.

Now we have two aging halfbacks who keep getting banned.

Add in a Croft, Lomax or Cust, outer attacking play would be much better.

Add in a super fast full back like Field or French with Connor in the halves and we would be not much better but far better

Re: Saints away : Tue May 17, 2022 3:48 pm  

bonaire wrote:

Add in a super fast full back like Field or French with Connor in the halves and we would be not much better but far better

Haven't we tried Connor at 6 before and he wasn't that great??
I agree we definitely need pace at fullback tho

Re: Saints away : Tue May 17, 2022 4:11 pm  

Would people be happy to get miller back and keep Connor at full back !

Re: Saints away : Tue May 17, 2022 5:54 pm  

Woods1969 wrote:

Haven't we tried Connor at 6 before and he wasn't that great??
I agree we definitely need pace at fullback tho

Yes Connor has played six several times but Hodgson thinks he is a full back full stop.
If he had been given the time at six like he has at full back then maybe we would have seen he is more suited to the six role as his lack of pace is not exploited as much.
Just wish we could get a French or Field at the club to play full back

Re: Saints away : Tue May 17, 2022 5:57 pm  

Windy winger wrote:

Would people be happy to get miller back and keep Connor at full back !

not me
Connor needs to moved from full back its clearly costing us and has been pointed out Connor hardly ever performs against better teams