Re: Saints in the cup : Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:48 am
Magic Superbeetle wrote:
I’ve held my tongue in this thread as fans are entitled to their opinion; but what you have written is beyond the pale.
Let’s start with the Fash incident. It’s a red card every day of the week. Direct contact with the head with the shoulder whilst prone in a tackle. I don’t think it was a particularly dirty play, but Fash went for an aggressive, dominant tackle and got it completely wrong, leaving a player stone cold K.O.’d. I truly don’t understand how Kendall got to on report; because either he’s penalising contact with the head and it’s a red card, or it’s a knock on, there’s really no inbetween. Those calling “oh the ref shouldn’t have sent Griffin off for the sake of the game”; that good grace was used for that tackle.
After we took the 2; you knocked the ball out on the third tackle which Kendall ignored and you took the ascendancy.
Then you have your second try which Kendall sent up as a try; when McIntosh knocked the ball forwards into Mata’utias forearm and it then went backwards to Savelio, which was ignored/ not overruled due to the silly guess work rules refs need.
And then you get to the insanity that was the Griffin incident. Kendall told him to walk away, he kept gobbing off so he sin binned him. He still kept gobbing off, and gave Kendall no choice. There is a massive difference between challenging decisions and calling the ref a joke (an abbreviated version of what turned a yellow to a red I believe). If a saints player had done it I would have had no issue with the ref standing a player down like that; it’s a slippery slope in letting comments like that go and it turning into football.
And as a final point on “Saints got penalties close to our line; we only got penalties coming out of our own half”; I could debate the pros and cons of each to be honest, but I think the BBC put stats up half way through the second half that showed Saints had had 4 times more play the balls in Hulls half than vv. You tend to win penalties where you have the ball and Hull had the ball in their own half a lot and Saints had the ball in Hulls half a lot.
I get all fans see biases and inconsistency with refs; the Saints fans have a particular conspiracy with the disciplinary but generally I think that gives far too much credence to the RFL. I totally accept my counter points are a very Saints centric view of things as well, and that the reality is somewhere between the two of us. There were mistakes in Kendall’s game (yep, Batchelor did shoulder charge Fash, should have been a penalty) but they cut both ways, and in the big moments did well enough. Kendall didn’t lose you the game; Griffin did.
Let’s start with the Fash incident. It’s a red card every day of the week. Direct contact with the head with the shoulder whilst prone in a tackle. I don’t think it was a particularly dirty play, but Fash went for an aggressive, dominant tackle and got it completely wrong, leaving a player stone cold K.O.’d. I truly don’t understand how Kendall got to on report; because either he’s penalising contact with the head and it’s a red card, or it’s a knock on, there’s really no inbetween. Those calling “oh the ref shouldn’t have sent Griffin off for the sake of the game”; that good grace was used for that tackle.
After we took the 2; you knocked the ball out on the third tackle which Kendall ignored and you took the ascendancy.
Then you have your second try which Kendall sent up as a try; when McIntosh knocked the ball forwards into Mata’utias forearm and it then went backwards to Savelio, which was ignored/ not overruled due to the silly guess work rules refs need.
And then you get to the insanity that was the Griffin incident. Kendall told him to walk away, he kept gobbing off so he sin binned him. He still kept gobbing off, and gave Kendall no choice. There is a massive difference between challenging decisions and calling the ref a joke (an abbreviated version of what turned a yellow to a red I believe). If a saints player had done it I would have had no issue with the ref standing a player down like that; it’s a slippery slope in letting comments like that go and it turning into football.
And as a final point on “Saints got penalties close to our line; we only got penalties coming out of our own half”; I could debate the pros and cons of each to be honest, but I think the BBC put stats up half way through the second half that showed Saints had had 4 times more play the balls in Hulls half than vv. You tend to win penalties where you have the ball and Hull had the ball in their own half a lot and Saints had the ball in Hulls half a lot.
I get all fans see biases and inconsistency with refs; the Saints fans have a particular conspiracy with the disciplinary but generally I think that gives far too much credence to the RFL. I totally accept my counter points are a very Saints centric view of things as well, and that the reality is somewhere between the two of us. There were mistakes in Kendall’s game (yep, Batchelor did shoulder charge Fash, should have been a penalty) but they cut both ways, and in the big moments did well enough. Kendall didn’t lose you the game; Griffin did.
As you say you have a saints centric view of the game as anyone would expect. However you state about the decisions you say Kendal got wrong so are you accepting that Kendal officiated well or poorly?
I accept that Griffin getting carded handed the tie in your favour however no one knows what was said for certain and are unlikely to.
The Fash incident you see as a red card but after viewing it several times Fash has his arms trapped in the tackle and Percival’s arm appears to holding Fash. All players in the tackle stated going to ground and as they land on the floor unfortunately contact is made but I defy anyone to be able to avoid contact when you are wrapped up in a tackle. And falling with the momentum.
Makinson on more than one occasion along with Dodd were more than vocal to the officials during the first 40.
The shoulder charge by Batchelor as you mention was completely ignored along with the off the ball incident late in the game with Walmsley appearing to intentionally run at Fash off the ball.
Every fan will see things differently to an opposing fan but Kendal had a shocker and is a poor official
There seemed to a be difference in how St’s could slow the game down compare to Hull as neither team seemed to be much different at all yet Kendal saw it differently, even the 10M seemed a different measurement between the sides.
Personally my opinion is the officials here are very poor in terms of being able to communicate with players and manage the games. They have very little personality and some to seem to view themselves as far superior. The officials no longer seem to have the ability to talk to players and there is a big disconnect there.
just when I think you can't stoop any lower
