Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 11:20 am  

Dave K. wrote:

Slight positive

Big stats from Satae and Sao (who played 80 minutes).

Thought at the time Littem stood up well and backed up with his stats, I'd start him on the wing on Thursday.

That cover tackle from Litten was outstanding.

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 2:54 pm  

Keiththered wrote:

The difference is on the one hand the defender is actively facing the ball either making a tackle or trying to stop ball movement whilst in this case the player was accidentally and unknowingly hit on the head. A pass is a deliberate act. A header is interpreted as a deliberate act. A header is defined as a shot or pass made with the head. In no way could the incident be described as a pass.

What?

You are just making up scenarios to suit your agenda?

None of this is included in the laws of the game. The law is quite clear. It is illegal to head the ball forward which is what he did?

No need to complicate it further with deliberate acts etc

99% of knock ons are accidental?

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:02 pm  

davey41 wrote:

What?

You are just making up scenarios to suit your agenda?

None of this is included in the laws of the game. The law is quite clear. It is illegal to head the ball forward which is what he did?

No need to complicate it further with deliberate acts etc

99% of knock ons are accidental?

The law is to stop a player illegally heading the ball forward if for example you cant get a pass or kick away
As has been pointed out this was a player who was hit with a ball to the head accidentally.
The decision was correct

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:19 pm  

bonaire wrote:

The law is to stop a player illegally heading the ball forward if for example you cant get a pass or kick away
As has been pointed out this was a player who was hit with a ball to the head accidentally.
The decision was correct

But if it hits your hand acidentally its a knock on - so whats the difference?

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:22 pm  

Seems the master baitors are out in force.
This could end up being a sticky thread

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:26 pm  

Not a Hull FC fan but wouldn't Pearson have been better suggesting such as Houghton and Taylor " get them off" rather than the young lad trying his best. What a knob of a chairman, no wonder the club is such a shambles

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:29 pm  

bonaire wrote:

The law is to stop a player illegally heading the ball forward if for example you cant get a pass or kick away
As has been pointed out this was a player who was hit with a ball to the head accidentally.
The decision was correct

Where does it say in the law about it being deliberate or accidental?

It doesn’t!

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:57 pm  

Please Davey, give it up as you are incorrect as stated by previous posters.
I'm not wanting to appear rude but read the below.
Deliberate heading out of hands, no.
Ball accidentally hitting head yes.

As the ball landed in the hands of big prop John Harrison, he used every one of his neck muscles to head the ball out of his hands and into the in-goal area.

His perfectly waited looping header was chased and touched down by George Mann and the try was awarded to the bewilderment of Sheffield’s players.

There were no rules to prevent teams heading the ball forward at the time and Saints head coach, the late Mike McLennan, confirmed that they had planned it before the game.
Incredibly, prior to the move, the Saints players asked referee Gerry Kershaw if they were okay to attempt it, to which he replied: “Yes, no problem.”

Following the match, which Saints won 34-17, the incident caused much controversy and heading the ball forward was subsequently outlawed days later.

Had to post as this pointless debate was doing my head in but not as much as watching Hull however

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 3:58 pm  

davey41 wrote:

What?

You are just making up scenarios to suit your agenda?

None of this is included in the laws of the game. The law is quite clear. It is illegal to head the ball forward which is what he did?

No need to complicate it further with deliberate acts etc

99% of knock ons are accidental?

You believe what you want. The ball hit the head not the head hit the ball. It was play on and a try resulted. Lucky for Wakey unlucky for FC.

Re: Oh well Wakey next : Sat Aug 20, 2022 4:03 pm  

davey41 wrote:

Where does it say in the law about it being deliberate or accidental?

It doesn’t!

By your interpretation that means you can get a penalty by throwing the ball at an opposition players head (so long as you throw it in a backwards direction). That clearly wouldn't be correct.

You also can't claim a knock on if you throw the ball at an opposition players arm unless he attempts to grab at the ball. The letter of the law states that it is a knock on though.

I must admit that my initial post was triggered by a memory of a try that you can see if you search 'Strange Rugby League Try' on YT. I didn't know they'd added this law after that try, and am certain that the intent of the law is to ban 'head-to-ball' NOT 'ball-to-head'

A 'knock on' can only happen off the hand or arm, so it's definitely not that. Seems a bit extreme to claim a penalty for a ball hitting a player's head.

You're barking up the wrong tree trying to blame this one on the refs - I accept that they make too many inconsistent decisions generally though.